Capital Planning Committee Meeting March 5, 2026

Okay, good morning everyone. Welcome to uh the um March 5th [clears throat] uh Thursday, 2026 CIPC meeting. Uh just a reminder, this meeting uh we're in person and it is being recorded by DCTV.

So today we continue our um department meetings uh DPW uh with uh DPW director Tim Barber will be going off uh over his presentation for uh DPW admin water sewer and trash.

Tim, good morning. Tim Barber, DPW director.

Um we're tonight we're presenting the do department of public works FY2027 uh capital improvement plan.

Uh the department of public works is responsible management of several divisions while the DPW including engineering services and infrastructure, water and sewer and water pollution control. The administration division coordinates the department's activities, develops and monitors the annual budget, prepares project bid specifications, personnel and payroll for the department employees, administers the smart program

and processes all applications for smart abatements and discounts and complies with all state and federal regulations, rules and uh regarding solid waste disposal, landfill closure, water treatment and waste water treatment, including all submission of required reports. Is also responsible for seeking federal and state funds to assist with the town's public works projects, develops language, strategic planning

as well as maintenance work and improves in improvements to the town infrastructure and develops and implements departmental policies.

Uh this is kind of what what does public works do? You know, we administration, we do policy, budget, manage waste collection, um engineering, design, inspect roads and utilities, uh services infrastructure transportation network, snow and ice, water distribution system maintenance, sewer collection system maintenance, solid waste and recycling collection, solid waste and recycling transfer facility

management, construction division, and a central fleet maintenance division. Uh we have water treatment. We maintain uh drinking water supply and treatment operations and water pollution control and we maintain operations of a wastewater treatment facility.

So to begin with our administration budget uh our capital uh we have three three proposals. Uh one is a Hawthon street design uh at 150,000. Uh the two is a Dmit Street uh 50% design for improvements $150,000 and three is the preserve sewer pump station upgrades uh for $400,000.

We should go next.

Uh this is just a kind of an overview of the Hawthon Street uh scope uh in area.

Uh we're looking for additional design fees uh to move forward with the with the design.

Um this is a this is the current um concept design that we've submitted to Mass DOT. So, we're we're still under the 25% uh design uh submitt. We've met with Masot multiple times. Uh we're looking at reconstructing Hawthon Street from Sulkum Road to the New Beford line and possibly include portion of New Bedford to the intersection. Uh so we can have connectivity with sidewalks or

we're looking at additional shared use paths for bicycles and pedestrians.

and uh we'll look at uh installing drainage improvements and uh also an intersection improvements at Hawthon and Sulkum Road. Uh I'm just wondering why the town's paying for these plans. So uh basically with the transportation improvement uh project uh with mass dot any town owned right away uh the municipalities will will fund the design and then go as it's taken in and as an approved project on

the tip by mass dot they will estimate the funds and fund the construction. So while we can if we fund you know say the prices have increased uh so if we fund a project like this that costs5 to $600,000 for design the state may take take over the construction which may cost 7 million.

So if we if we designed it in house u and constructed it in house you know we would have to put up all the construction funds but the but if the state sees it as a viable project they will fund it.

But a lot of a lot of the design criteria is basically in their court. So we have to comply with their specifications and their regulations. So looking at the intersection control, you know, they have, you know, their ideas where they they want us to look at designs for a roundabout or a mini roundabout at that section. Yeah. Where it might might only be feasible to have maybe uh traffic signal control at that

intersection. you know, we have a crosswalk there. We don't have crossing guards in town right now. So, it's right adjacent to a school. So, making that a safer crossing area with traffic signals and, you know, is hopefully feasible. If if a roundabout's feasible, they'll probably look at like rectangular flashing beacons for crosswalks for the students. So, that's what we're looking at to make it

safer. and uh and uh a more usable road.

Uh narrow the lanes down. So kind of they call it like a road diet where it slows cars down because of the the the wide width of the pavement right now.

You know, it's like a racetrack. So people, you know, you don't get that feeling that it's a a smaller local road. So bring narrowing those lanes down will give that give that look to kind of slow you down a little bit. and uh especially being in a in a school zone or multiple school zones.

Okay.

And this is a this is a section that goes into New Bedford right now. It just shows a kind of a shared use path and a bike lane and it kind of comes back into the road where right before New Bedford uh uh but if we can connect into the city of New Bedford, you wouldn't the bike lane or or a shade use path wouldn't end there. It would it would

connect to the cities that goes right across to Buttonwood Park.

Um second project, Diamond Street improvement design. Um so we we started this project a while ago submitted to the state. It included Diamond Street from Holland to Prospect and Middle and then Prospect from middle to Elm. Um there there are some issues with the one with the right away of prospect because it's so narrow to to comply with all of the design criteria from Mass DOT and then uh we originally looked at a

roundabout or a mini roundabout for this location.

Mass DOT wasn't wasn't uh happy with the design of the roundabout specifically because it's a five leg intersection because it's a little awkward. Um and in any vehicular movements around the the roundabout where tracking would go over the the center island for large vehicles uh like you know possibly fire engines and and tractor trailers. So we we asked them to remove the Prospect Street scope um and

just just focus on the uh reconstruction of Dortman Street with which has a wider rightway in into that intersection. We they did mass DOT asked us for alternate design. So we looked at bringing in Prospect Street into into Diamond Street at a 90 degree. If you want to if you want to move that to the next slide. So, so these are kind of the the concept designs where the top one is is the

roundabout, the mini roundabout. Um, and then the bottom one is a bringing Prospect Street into uh 90°ree into Dartmouth Street. That would require land takingaking. And to to me it's still um I still have concern because pulling out of that intersection directly going to the intersection of Damoth and Middle, you know, I have a I have a traffic concern there. You know, if you if you're hauling a trailer or

something, it might, you know, you might get caught up there if there's traffic at that intersection. So Tim, for the roundabouts, can they reduce the uh So those are plantings in the middle. Uh that's not a planting.

That was just a a hardcape.

Okay. So they do they do they have a specific like um circumference that they use for like they do they have a standard they they're different sizes. So you can have large ones like you see down the Cape.

Um and then they have regular size roundabouts and they have mini roundabouts which this is more of a mini roundabout which fits more within the rightway. So there's less takings, but you you have more vehicles that would would track over that island if you know trying [snorts] to make that maneuver around it.

But so you're requesting now just to go right down to the intersection at the bottom of Dartmouth Street so you don't touch that intersection basically because if it's not broke, why fix it? And how many accidents have there been? I mean, right? I can remember one person driving straight down right through the parking lot because it was a medical type thing, right? [clears throat] I don't see that

many accidents there and I really don't see it backed up.

I think it like the culdeac was more like a gateway to to the village kind of you know visual and um I think bringing typically you try to keep your intersections at a 90 degree angle. So they bring bringing Prospect Street into as a 90 degree you know while it works for that just that one street it I don't think it works for the whole intersection. So, so we might go back to another alternative. We're bringing

Prospect kind of where it is. Maybe maybe a little tweak to the to the entire intersection to make it safer.

And this is the rest of Thma Street all the way to to Holland through Meadow.

So, improvements with, you know, new granite curbing, all sidewalk improvements, uh, as we have in the formal phases. And lastly, we have the preserve 40B sewer pump station upgrades for 400,000. So on the left, you see the preserve uh subdivision, the 40B, 288 units to be able to to provide capacity in in our infrastructure itself. Um two pump stations had to be up upgraded. We have designed those two stations at

100%. Um on the right you see the two pump station uh plans. Um the advertisement for bid had gone out and the the price came quite a bit higher than our our estimate.

So we we we rebid the project and um as an a base bid for one for the Ellswick station and then an alternate bid for the Route Six station. the Alzuk station is the most critical for capacity. So, the bids came in still higher than our estimate. So, we're we're trying to move forward with that one pump station, the Elwick station, uh to get that one underway and get that one built with

capacity and then we'll try to revertise a second one.

Does that change with the 40B portion paying to the town? because I know you had what 250,000 that they were going to contribute.

Yeah. In phases. So in FA Yeah. So but since that's higher, does that actually increase their percentage at all or is that an agreement that's already been struck and then we're stuck with the rest?

Exactly. So that was that was a negotiation that was done between the zoning board of appeals and and the uh developer and it's in the comprehensive permit that that's that's all all they have to pay. So regardless of of increases in in costs, it doesn't matter. It's the same with any of our fees. So any of our connection fees that were that were updated after they they have applied for their permit, uh we

can't charge them. So they go back to the the fees that were, you know, in place prior to their application. Not their approval, their application.

Uh FY27 engineering capital improvement.

Um this year for FY27 we don't have any any capital requests for engineering. Um you know a lot of our kind of engineering projects get go through admin. Uh so typically we have vehicles or equipment. Uh so next year we'll be looking at an additional vehicle to replace one of our existing older vehicles. But this year we don't really have any.

That's that's one of our newer vehicles.

Are those 4x4?

They don't need to be full by only.

It would be nice. I mean, some of our sites that we go on, uh, you need four-wheel drive. Um, especially this time of year.

Um, we we have had to been be pulled out of sites in the past. So, it, you know, it's just a more expensive vehicle.

FY27, Department of Services and Infrastructure Highway. So, we have, we have a number of capital projects. um signing with rope maintenance for 1,250,000 uh freight liner 26,000 GVW plow truck 34 for 196,000 a 34,400 GVW truck with plow and sander for 270,000 a cat 420 XE backho loader for 155,500 a Ford FI F550 4x4 dump truck and plow for 135,000.

Um let's see. And we have maintenance uh uh improvements to Bridge Street and Middle Street um for $900,000 and Flag Swamp Road storm water construction for $700,000. And then I added an additional piece of equipment there. It's um especially this year with all the snow we've we received, we've used in the past to clear like sidewalks along the Paneron Bridge, we typically use the school department equipment

because we don't have a sidewalk uh equipment. We have small hand powered snowblowers. So, uh we're looking at the same type of equipment that the school department has. It's a a John Deere uh sidewalk with a sidewalk uh equip piece of equipment with a snowblower. It comes with a mower too, but also with a snowblower. So, it's about 60,000.

So, so this is our uh typical road maintenance. Uh we do, you know, milling, uh patching, crack sealing, uh full full reconstruction with sidewalks, curbing, paint striping, microsurfacing, uh sidewalk repairs, landscaping, shoulders, uh cold in place, recycling.

Okay, this is our 2025 uh road maintenance. So, in 2025, we spent um just over $4 million in in road maintenance, and it was broken up funding wise by uh the town uh Eversource. Uh so, any work that Eversource has done on on gas line improvements throughout the town, they pay cost sharing. So, in their cost sharing, they they pay 1.7 million towards the work that we did in 2025.

um chapter 90 I think we used 1.2 2 million uh out of articles for from capital we use $743,000 and uh and out of a the there's a a fair share plan that the state puts out a kind of additional supplement money uh rather other than chapter 90. it it follows the same chapter 90 uh specifications and that was about 224,000.

So we on the right we have all the roads that we milled and paved and that's just one type of you know resurfacing or maintenance. So we did completed 6.65 miles of milling and paving last year out of our two 205 miles of road. Um, so it's a small percentage, but we did get a lot of work done.

Tim, that would be a good thing to put on a big post poster right at the beginning of the town meeting on the wall.

Yeah. Yeah, we can do that.

Completed in 2025.

Yeah.

You can go to the next one. So on the left here, we have our micro sealing. So we did uh we completed 2.36 miles of micro sealing. So it's a it's a surface treatment. Um, so prior to micro sealing, we crack seal these areas with a thin band of crack sealing.

Yes.

Most roads when we just just crack sealing, it's a heavier band. Uh, but when we do the micro sealing, we try to get a thin band, they just kind of scratch the pavement and fill the cracks so we can we can surface it. We did a lot of the roads in in the Marry Mount subdivision. Um, and I think this works well. We've done it in other roads.

We've done O Westport Road, Chase Road, some roads, you know, with a lot of traffic, it it doesn't last as long. Uh so I think it'll last it'll do pretty well in in subdivisions with less vehicle traffic.

Smith Neck Road, was that we did Smith Neck Road. See, when we did Smith Neck Road, the the the base was a cold in place reconstruction. So that we came down we we mil the entire uh surface and base course of asphalt and put it back down in one convoy. So it mixes with Portland cement in in asphalt liquid asphalt and it puts it down in a base course. And we overlaid Smith neck

road with a micro seal and it didn't really adhere greatly. So there was some delamination.

So what we did in in future projects after that in after a cold in place we overlaid it with an inch and a half of hot mix asphalt rather than rather than the micro seal and it seems to work a lot better. So so yeah using existing roads would you know you crack them and then micro seal them that seems to be the way to go on that on that surface

treatment. So we'll continue to use that as well. on the right here. Um this is our the amount of roads we we crack sealed.

So, we did another 9.19 miles of crack sealing uh throughout town as a as a maintenance to keep keep the water from entering the cracks and um you know infiltrating and then especially in in these times when you have a lot of freeze and thaw getting in there and it blows the asphalt away and as it as it freezes and expands and then thaws and contracts and the plows hit it and you

see, you know, potholes will open up everywhere. I I expect to see a lot of potholes and damage around town due to this year's harsh harsh winter with the freezing thaw and the amount of time our plows have been on the ground. So, uh and also just regarding I think in in the past we've we've had kind of a bank of of our road maintenance articles. Um so I think we're down to about just

under 1.4 4 million uh in in current um articles left over. So we've been we've been expending them uh for different projects. So we expect to keep on doing that. So, if we expect another, you know, $4 million um road maintenance program this year, um you know, that'll that'll probably be dwindled down to to not much along with our design projects as well, you know, and and a lot of that

goes to patching and and and all of the maintenance. Mhm.

Here we have a a 26,000 GVW Freight Liner M2 106 for 196 196,000. So that truck is this is the truck that doesn't require a CDL license to drive.

I was just going to ask that.

So it it can take a large plow. Not the really large plow that the that the 34,000 trucks can handle, but it it takes a large plow and and it's it's got a good dump body on it. So, we we have a couple of them and they they seem to work pretty well and and any anybody can drive it. This is uh on our right we have the 34,000 uh GVW plow with with

sander. So, you can see it's a lot larger truck. That one needs a requires a a CDL and it has a larger plow on it.

But is that the minimum um gross value weight that you can have that require max?

Oh, that's the right max.

Gross. Yeah, that's gross. And that's what they're registered for. Yeah. Yeah.

So, and then on the left, uh, that would be replacing that 1994 Kodiak.

Here we have a backhole loader. Uh, we're looking at a new loader for 155,500.

Um, this is the existing CAT backhoe loader.

Here I have a a Ford F550 dump truck with plow for 135,000. On the right is a similar uh vehicle. On the left would be the the 1999 Ford that we are planning to replace.

Here we have um our Bridge Street and Middle Street improvements uh for 900,000 to 9 1978 ft of of road reconstruction, sidewalk and curb reconstruction.

So we've we've designed this plan uh inhouse. Uh it's 100% design and we estimated at 900,000. I I've also submitted uh to complete streets to see if we can get some complete street funding for this as well. Um they have increased the complete streets funding limits. So you know hopefully we can get some funding for this and move it forward.

Does that include the lighting and everything or no Tim? Just the just the base and the including lighting or anything like that?

No lighting. Nope. No, this is just for the the roadway improvements. Um, and if we add add some lighting, that would be above.

Yeah, this is Flag Swamp Road.

Delete.

Sorry, Greg.

This is our annual request for funding on Black Swamp Road.

There's more Greg Greg one. Yeah. Yeah.

So, 400 4,830 linear feet of reconstruction. It's about 700,000 includes includes uh drainage uh improvements.

Um we it is pretty tight. You can see this picture on the right. Um it's tight with a a banked wooded edge on the left and then the guardrail on the right where the where the cranberry bogs are.

Um, I know the bogs have are no longer uh functioning and they've been uh that property has been purchased by DNRT. So, you know, we're looking to maybe work with DNRT to see what we can do along that edge to maybe widen the road another foot or two to to make it a little safer and and additional additionally add some drainage improvements.

Good. So, these this is these are the design plans also. These were designed in house.

So there there are some you know resource areas um some wetlands uh that we'd have to deal with with conservation and uh so we'd look at some some treatment options as well as wherever we discharge the drainage.

There we have it.

Um, and here here's the John Deere snow machine we we'd be looking for with the snowb blower for for uh for sidewalk clearing. Um, you know, help us keep up with the with the sidewalk along the causeway and the bridge and uh any extension that we do along that area and uh any other other areas that we maintain.

Here are some of our completed uh capital projects. Uh you may have noticed on crossroad uh highway department installed a an 18inch uh perforated drain uh subsurface um to to take a lot of the the the drainage that was ponding around the corner near the electrical substation. So these are some of the the pictures from that installation.

Uh and these are these are I don't have the paved uh pictures but these are when we mil that section across the road. um put some sign up signage up and um milled it and then after after that prep was completed, we paved the road. We had a lot of feedback from from completing that project.

Yeah. Good.

So, this is the project that's that's just kind of northeast of of our project that's on the the mass dot tip plan. So, that'll that'll kind of blend in with this project that we completed. And then the reconstruction with with additional sidewalk improvements will be the next phase of that project uh with with Mass DOT. So um these are just some some of the roads around Bliss Corner that we've worked on

in in the past couple years and completed.

Now Tim, when the roads get the crown like that, I know we talked about like Robert Street having a crown. Is that taken down to meet like the if there's a crown on the road?

So the crown is to to promote drainage.

So to keep the to keep the the rain water in the gutter so it's not shedding across the road, especially during like freezing temperatures where if you have if you have water sitting in the center of the street, you have a lot of icing.

So you know, it just keeps it keeps the roads cleaner and uh the drainage. I think that was like the sidewalk was um the sidewalk re the sidewalk and curb reveal on Robert Street is very minimal.

Um so we would you know we would have to actually take that road down lower than we we wouldn't just do an inch and a half mil and overlay there.

We would probably go down a full depth or go down to gravel.

Um put down a binder course, a base course to bring that reveal back up so we don't impact any driveways or properties. And then we would reinstall new curbing and sidewalks.

So that just happens over time because of Yeah. So a lot of times we'll go in and and we wouldn't even mill and overlay years ago. We would just overlay a road.

You know, you'd crack seal it and overlay it and then you lose your curbing reveal. Um so it's it it's not the safest way to do it because then you know cars can cars can bump up on the curb without being stopped. with a 6-in curb. It's more of a a stop where, you know, you get down to like a two and a half inch curb, you're just going to drive over it.

These are some of the completed streets.

See like if you go back one.

So some of the areas where you have a lot more houses or you know uh the grade works on one side where we we put sidewalk and and vertical curbing and then some areas like on the right where that all that land uh had had a steeper pitch a slope. So, so installing a sidewalk there, um, it it it's a little more expensive because you have to retain behind it because your sidewalk

has to be ADA compliant with at maximum, you know, 2% slope across slope. So, then you have to retain that with either curbing or retaining wall. So, we we chose to just install a a Cape Cod BM, which is more economical. Um, and you don't need a you don't need a vertical stop when you don't have a sidewalk. So, that's why we did that.

[snorts] Here we have sidewalks on both sides of the street with vertical curb or concrete driveway aprons.

Same here. And and here we show some of the landscape strips as well with some existing trees. And then where there weren't existing trees, we replaced uh we added trees.

Here's another uh 34. This is a 20 a brand new 25 uh 34,400 GVW freight liner with a sander and plow.

And this is uh this is the 26,000 GVW M106 dump truck with a plow going out to actually plow. So So this you don't you don't need a CDL for this.

This is the one you don't need a CDL for. Yeah.

FY27 solid waste and recycling.

So, we have a MAC rear loader packer.

Um, still diesel powered uh for 400,000.

Um, we still haven't heard on on the state's requirement for electrification of of these large vehicles. So, we're trying to buy those diesel vehicles uh while we can. And we have a Oh, I'm sorry. I have So, we want to replace this the scale house at the transfer station uh for about 55,000.

It's gorgeous already. Those guys are so comfortable up there.

Shed.

It's two sheds.

There's two sheds.

Yeah.

And the he shed and the she shed.

And then we have we want to replace a couple more of our steel containers. uh solid waste containers that are getting rotted and and not holding water anymore. Um yes, if you want to move forward. So, this is one of our 2010 MAC with 100,000 miles that we're looking to replace uh replace it and u you know, we wouldn't get rid of this vehicle right away because it might be something that

if we go to electrification that we could possibly rebuild that um since we still own it. So, in the past, we would auction those off, but I I think holding on to them for now was kind of a better better decision.

So, they could electrify that vehicle, not that vehicle, but in in order, you know, the the bill that was that was going proposed was proposed to require all all these large vehicles. prior to us being able to purchase a diesel vehicle, we had to purchase a electric an electric vehicle.

So, if it's an electric vehicle, one of these uh a rear packer or a recycling truck, the costs are double what the diesel vehicles are. So, they're like 900,000 to a million and they don't have the range that the diesel vehicles have.

So, you you need 2 to1. So, if we keep some of the older vehicles, we can spend about the same amount of money rebuilding that diesel vehicle. And and since it's already ours, we you know, we're not purchasing another vehicle, so we can continue to use that.

Yeah, we did that last year. If you remember, we talked about it. We talked about the whole thing,000 to buy an electric vehicle and then rebuild half a million to do the the rebuild. So, we did that article, right? So, you can buy a new one. We still have Yeah, we we have that money still in an article for uh for rebuilding currently.

I thought we had talked about we talked about possibly using that to purchase a new Y and and and if that's viable, we can we can use that.

Here's the transfer station, the two sheds put together.

Um so we're looking at, you know, making this one building, uh modernizing it. um with you know uh you know with all electrical and and technology. Um so it's a it's estimated about 55,000.

We're also looking at some grants from the state for uh for transfer stations and recycling to see if we can get any grants toward this. So we're working with the district on that as well.

And these are our couple of our containers that we're looking to to replace. About 36,000 for two uh DSI construction division capital improvement plan. So, we're looking at a Cat 93 wheeled loader replacement and for a 235,000 and a 6800 GVW 4x4 pickup with a plow.

So, here's our existing uh 2014 Cat front end loader. Has $6,200 on it.

235,000 to replace it. This this load got a lot of a lot of use during this past storm.

Like it was up my street during the It probably was up a lot of a lot of your streets. Yeah.

With with the snow we had at at some point our trucks wouldn't even push it anymore. So is this one at the town yard or are you sharing?

This is at the highway yard.

Are you still you're not sharing because weren't you running one up from We still do solid uh from your sewage treatment plant?

We do. Yep. Yeah.

Weren't you? Weren't you sharing? They were they they were running it over today uh hauling some uh some compost.

So yeah, so that that loaded one one loader stays at uh the wastewater treatment facility and and it does run back and forth and you know eventually we're looking at depending on what happens with compost in the future because bioolids um land applications for bioolids is is getting a lot of uh a lot of lot of regulators looking at it and possibly banning it for land application in Massachusetts.

um depending on contaminants. So, so if if that happens, we may not be composting it anymore. But um if we do continue to compost, you know, possibly our thought was to move that facility and process over to our yard so we're not running the loader back and forth.

But currently there's room up there and uh you know, we can we we still use it to our to our use. So, here's a a 6800 GVW, just a regular, you know, halftonone pickup. Uh, so with a plow and uh replacing an existing pickup with 99,000 miles on it.

And let's see.

So, water pollution control FY27 capital improvement plan. So, first up is our aation project. So, uh, that's a 100% designed project and estimated at about 6 million. So, we're looking at, we do have some funding for it for we're looking for another 5.2 um, which would most most likely have to be from borrowing. We did apply for a grant uh, for this funding and we got denied. We didn't get awarded the grant.

So, we're looking for some funding to move forward with that project that will uh increase our our treatment and capacity for biochemical oxygen demand and uh and uh so suspended solids.

Next, we have uh a new brush grinder.

So, this was kind of a a late ad. Um we've been our brush grinder. So, all the residents who who come in and bring brush that we we chip up. It's not just your normal chipper. We grind it to a finer mulch to be able to mix with our amendment with our bioolids to create create that compost. So, it is a a high dollar machine. We've we've spent uh I think like $15,000 in repairs this year

and we just were told we have to replace the conveyor which is another $40,000 for parts, probably another a 10 for labor. So, and and typically we bring in the the mechanics from out of state to do this work. Uh, so they they usually stick around for a few days to get this work done. So, it's it's pretty expensive.

So, it's getting to the point where we're putting a lot of money into it.

So, we're looking at purchasing another one or I've talked about, you know, a possibility of leasing one. Uh, but we've done it in the past and it's pretty expensive as well. So, and what's the benefit in terms of money if you invest that money? How does that help us?

Uh other than fixing the machines, do do you get a certain amount of money from the composting that will offset that?

So that's right now we do. So right now we we we create our compost. It's a it's a gradea project product. We it gets marketed and sold by a vendor and then we split the profit. That's that's done in October.

uh our vendor is no longer going to be operating a bioolids composting. Um so we're looking at other avenues to to get rid of it. Whether we can continue composting with other vendors or if we continue composting and haul it, you know, just haul it away rather than a land application vendor.

So either way, you have to compost whether you sell that's what we're looking we're looking at. If if not, um you know, there's there's another way. It's a it's a dehydrated cake form. They call it cake.

Uh so when we dehydrate the uh the bioolids, they can haul it that way. You know, they can all also haul it in liquid sludge form, which is a lot more expensive.

Yes.

Like the the city of New Bedford does that. Um but the other you know the other issue is if we don't replace that machine or don't repair it you know we we take that uh away from the residents you know that option to to discard brush at our facility.

and and for us to be able to manage it full all the time. Right now it's got you got a lot there probably or will be getting a lot the next week because the amount of arborites and things like that that went down with these storms and the trees. It's you know once everybody can get it get to it.

Right. Right. By getting filled up in the next couple of weeks.

I agree. Um and then we're looking at some skater improvements. So, uh, up at the north and south, uh, sewer pump stations, uh, which are our two largest stations. So, we haven't upgraded the skater, uh, equipment in those pump stations in quite a while. So, that's a $90,000 estimate. Um, then we have our inflow and infiltration remediation, uh, request is at 250,000. We're continuing

with our II plan uh, plan. and we've been doing evaluations, smoke testing, uh, TVing lines, and looking for mitigation on any of our any of our II and and some of our infrastructure to reduce the amount of flow to create more capacity at the facility.

And then uh replacing two flow meters and chart recorders for uh for our pump stations 125,000.

So here's our uh water pollution control facility and that you know all the way to the left the the shorter building that's our compost building. So that's where we that's where we process all the compost all the uh all the brush uh that gets chipped and goes into that building gets mixed with the compost and the the longer building that's where we actually process our bioolids. We we have our

presses there and our pumps and we and we dehydrate all the all the bioolids there. So that's a that's a building you don't you don't want to hang around in too long. There's a lot of ammonia and it's not a great environment. It's really humid in there. Uh but yeah, that's our composting process.

And then on so back there, so on the on the right top side, you have you have those four square uh chambers. Mhm.

So those are those are our aeration tanks currently. So we have we have four aation tanks, but with our aation project, we're looking at going down to three aeration tanks and then the the the lower aeration tank, converting that to a nitrogen removal tank to to reduce the amount of nitrogen that's getting discharged. Okay, this is uh this is uh one of our pages from the from the 100% design aeration

plans uh just showing the schematic of the facility as well.

Tim, I think it's important to note on this, this is something that would be done regardless as part of a new sewer treatment plant. So for us to do this now is not saying, okay, we're going to do this now and then have to redo everything in five years when we do a new sewer treatment plant. This essentially this would be like phase one of the sewer treatment plant. So and and would help us now with

long it would help us with that.

Do you have a master plan for that for the sewer treatment plan that's not complete yet?

So with our a we put out a an RFQ or request for qualifications uh for a for a comprehensive wastewater management plan. We've evaluated uh the the qualification submitts and now we're looking at moving forward with having uh them present to us. So, presentations and interviews and then we'll select the the consultant, you know, and that that cost is, you know, that's in the 500 to a million dollar range. So,

so we're working on moving that forward uh hopefully within the next couple weeks.

That's about a two-year process.

Yeah, that makes sense.

So, you know, a lot of that planning process goes, you know, looks at, you know, population projections, uh, growth projections and and type of growth where our our former master plan, you know, all the parcels on on Route 6 were were commercial, right? But all these commercial properties are being developed with multi-residentidential which wasn't in our plan and and the and nothing was designed for that capacity

and that much you know that much flow from from each of those parcels. So it really takes up all the flow from the rest for the rest of the town that was you know that was allotted for the the rest of the residents. So, so we're looking reook looking at that and and looking at, you know, where the growth might be and and and how much uh you know looking at all these proposed residential projects we

we see a good amount of growth.

And then and along with that we're al you're also looking at you know we have our facility how much capacity even with an upgrade do we have there and what what we can discharge to the bay do we have to look at other types of treatment facilities throughout town because you know the town is so large.

Is it is it feasible to to pipe everything to that one facility or do we have other other areas where we have treatment and where do we discharge? Can we discharge the groundwater? Can we discharge to to source other other waters, you know? So, so those are all the questions that will be, you know, recommended on in that plan. So, yeah, there was a town that was talking about discharging into the ground.

Yeah.

Yes. Yes.

I'm having a legal battle about that.

Yeah.

Well, we have so it's done. It requires a real higher level of treatment, you know, for for for everything, nutrients, contaminants, everything. So, here we have our uh some of our aeration. So, on the left bottom you see our diffusers that that empty uh tank needs some structural repairs and all all new refu diffuses. So with the upgrade, you know, that would be the first tank to be looked at and and uh

and upgraded. Uh up top left, we have a full aeration tank in operation. And then on the right top, we have our aerration pumps.

So Tim, those pumps are running 24/7.

Correct. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. And those those pumps, they're old pumps, so they're not very efficient. We don't we can't really uh we don't use VFDs for them. So they're either on or off. So we can't you know we can't fluctuate the their drives basically. Uh so if if flows are lower we can't turn them down and when flows are higher we can't turn them up. So but but with the new with new pumps they

will all be operated off off of VFDs. So they'll they'll operate with the changes in flow. it'll be a it's a lot more efficient electrically and and uh and and actually in regulating how much how much you're airrating.

This is our existing 2015 brush grinder that we're looking to replace. Um we had last year we actually replaced the whole exhaust system. Uh this year we we've done uh some additional repairs and then the the whole conveyor needs replacing.

So relatively low life cycle, huh? 10 years it is. Yeah. Yep.

What would the trade in value be on something like that?

Um, it's a good question. Probably not too too high. Okay. You know, but if you could get 100,000 for it be that's something.

Yeah.

So, this is our uh pictures of some of our SCADA supervisory control and data acquisition uh improvements to the pump stations uh for $90,000.

some pictures of of crews out working on uh some of our infiltration remediation, raising the heights of sewer manholes, installing new watertight covers, uh and then sealing the outside with a bud sealant.

Uh flow meters and chart readers for our pump stations, looking to replace those as well for 125,000.

This is um so this is an an older picture of our preliminary treatment the the bar and screen the grit removal chamber. So this is basically everything comes into this facility first and there are large chains and buckets that scoop all the solids up out of there. Uh sometimes you get anything from false teeth to to max cars, you know, it's pretty disgusting.

I missed it. I went there.

So, we have we have four four of these and we're uh upgrading them. Uh they're about 100,000 to upgrade them, but we're doing it in house. So, we're we're purchasing all the all the equipment. We we've done one. So, last year we got we got funding for one. So, we we've gone through one of these um and it it's it's in good shape. Now, we're going to work

on the others. Tim, do we have a s do we have a um a a process in town where if we find that a resident is is you know putting like sewer like you know washing machine uh uh discharge into the system is there like a fine for that?

Uh no actually launch washing machines are supposed to be discharged the sewer because they they have contaminants um but but some pumps can't. So, so we have a we have a program, you know, as we work on if any of our water division personnel are in working on a meter or anything, they'll inspect the to see if that there are any illicit connections like a sump pump.

And then through our II program, they do the same thing. So, they do go house to house. They go in and they inspect the the houses to see if there are any uh illicit connections.

Um then this is basically just uh comprehens this on the left is our comprehensive master plan from 2012 that we we're looking at upgrading and just another picture of our facility.

Uh FY27 uh water and sewer capital plant.

So, we have um filter valve replacement for 150,000 at our 299 Chase Road facility.

Uh let's see, 579 O Westport Road water treatment facility construction admin services. So, we've funded the admin services to this point. We need about another 100,000 to finish the project.

The project is coming to an end. Um, luckily we have most most of the work is completed over there. They're testing the piping and uh and trying to get that that uh new CT piping online so we can get the Penelli wells back up online.

Uh, Fontcon Connor Road pump station centrifugal pump uh rebuild for 47,000.

Uh then we move to our next facility upgrade which is our 687 uh Chase Road facility upgrades. The design is estimated at $350,000.

And then um the next one is a Route 6 water mane uh replacement upgrade from on Route 6 from Fontcon Corner Road to just east of Hathaway Road. So this we're trying to if we get funding for this we can do this work in line with the uh root sticks work that mass dot is is proposing or they they're actually moving towards it's it's in the tip.

They're currently at 75 working towards 100% design. and they they were planning on bidding that project this spring to start construction in the fall, but it looks like it might be pushed a little further uh in the year uh and maybe maybe start construction next spring of of 27. But, you know, we're we're hopeful that we can get some funding to move that project forward that it it's

at 100% design right now, the water main replacement. So basically we just have to fund the project and it it's a reduced funding because mobilization is built into the the reconstruction project from ASDOT. So basically it's just a it's just a replacement.

Um then we have uh what do we have there?

Drinking water source supply was it?

Oh drinking drinking water source supply. So, so we've been asked by multiple residents and and officials in town to look at other sources of of wells and we we've done this in the past. We we've we've gone out and researched uh sourcing for additional groundwater wells. Um we've also been asked to look at surface water opportunities or options um as well as interconnections, other interconnections

like with Fall River. So, we've worked with a consultant on this for years. So, we're currently uh they're putting a scope together, which is around $100,000, and we're going to look at all the historical data that we have, compile all that data um and try to and move forward with um other optional sources while answering questions on like whether we can add a surface water source or uh or the interconnection So,

so that's our be a private company or it's a private consultant that we that we hire to do this. Yeah.

I just, you know, you know, you hear about that and I know sometimes I'll ask a question and you just say, "Well, we can't take that water from there because it does this where DNR but buys these properties or protects these properties."

Yeah.

When is it that Yeah, you could probably take some water out and really not change the actual environment.

Yeah. you know.

Yeah. Wouldn't they wouldn't it be great if they got involved somehow so you can look at those properties to see, okay, yeah, if we take out 100,000 gallons of water, it really won't change all the uh environment or whatever, right? So, around surrounded, it would still be swamp land or it' still be this, right? So we, you know, we had completed that acquisition uh on the Cornell

properties um with with the Buzzers Bay Coalition and they hold the comp the conservation restriction, but we built into that that we that we're able to install future drinking water wells at that location. So that's part of the part of the you know recorded documents.

Um, so you know, I think if if that's included on other parcel acquisitions or conservation restrictions in town as as as these parcels get protected, I think that's it's a great avenue for you know possible future groundwater wells at least and you know if if there is a viable source for for surface water. So, wouldn't that be a good starting point then early to have DNR say, "Well, yep,

let's look at evaluate all our properties that we have because obviously they evaluated that and said, "Yes, we could do that with you and share that." So, if they have that right off the bat, that's areas that correct, you know, be directing in the right direction right off the bat.

Sure.

They'll look at too where our infrastructure is right now, treatment facilities, because Yeah. Yeah, I mean there there probably is a lot of opportunity for ground wells, but are we going to build all new treatment facilities or what's the cost of running infrastructure to our current facilities? What's the capacity in those? So, um there's a lot that this needs to look at, you know.

Yes. Like when we did the Penelli's wells, it was, you know, it was in a location that wasn't too far from, you know, the Vietta wells in in the uh the 579 treatment plant. So that was all, you know, within a affordable range, I'd say. So if you, you know, if you're on Flag Swamp Road and you're going to, you know, put wells or surface water, you can't pipe that to to Old

Westport Road. So you're probably going to have to, you know, build a facility and then pump it into the existing system, which, you know, is quite a ways from Flag Swamp Road.

No, but you know, we're talking about how many million to go tie into Westport, right? and and purchase.

Yes.

So, no, it's like, you know, you take all those numbers of what we're going to be spending just to purchase the water and increase that.

Yeah.

It's and the water that we tie in at the top of Flax Swamp Road to that pump stage, that's already treated water. That's why you wouldn't be able to tie in over there. Is that correct?

You mean the the surface water reservoir?

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, so that's New Bedford, right? So, is that treated water? That that it is. So they so that comes out of Quiticus up north near Lakeville uh Freetown area and that gets treated there pumped to that where that's an elevated that's an elevated reservoir that goes gravity and they treat it again.

Right. That's what I'm saying. So that's why you couldn't take you couldn't put a groundwater well on Flag Swamp Road and just tie it in over there because that's untreated water tying into a treated water.

Correct. Yeah. Yes. And so we could we could come down to outside of that that brick building, the pump station.

We could tie in. There's a 24 in that comes out there. We could tie into that 24 in, you know, cuz that's treated. So, but we would have to treat it first. So, if if we if it's just Yeah. You can't just tie wa raw water in. Yes. Y and that and that pot is a little too small for a treatment facility. house.

Unfortunately, the developer over there, the orchards, was going to give the rest of that land to the town and then they said, "Well, there's enough room for a house here."

So, they built a house.

They did. They built a house right where the apple orchard you see.

It's okay.

So, these are some of our existing filter valves that need maintenance. U obviously painting as well, but uh a lot of them need replacement at our 299 facility. This is a This is the 579 O Westport Road facility improvements. So, there's a basically schematic site plan and then some of the the elevation plans of the of the improvements.

And these are pictures of the the improvements uh you know when they were working on the addition on the left um forming it the the you know the the walls on the in the middle and then the the the full uh concrete masonary unit block walls that match the existing building uh completed there. Okay.

This is our our clear well. So this is our backwash tank. So to improve quality out of this facility, uh when we backwash, a lot of times we draw water from from the supply. So now it'll just go in and out of this tank and it won't disturb uh the lines out on OS road.

That piece of pipe sitting on the ground, that's uh that's part of our our contact time or for log pipe that we that we ran a loop around the facility um in the yard to increase that contact time uh so we could turn on the penelli wells.

These are some of the piping uh all the light blue piping you see or whitish piping up to new painted that's all new on the left. That's all the piping and and pumps that are in the new build addition on the left and then the two right photos are in the existing building with our sand filters.

So this is 579.

This is all 579 inside. This is all work that has been has been completed and uh so this is uh this is at a Fontcon pump station over over near the the reservoir. Um looking at the rebuilding the centrifugal pump.

uh for 47,000 and uh this is our 687 facility. So we have our our treatment facility and our wells. Uh we're looking to design upgrades for this facility for 350,000. So again looking at uh contact time pipe for log um the pipe from the wells needs to be increased as well because the years ago the demand wasn't as high so they used a smaller diameter pipe. So to to get both both pump stations operating together we

we got to increase the size of the pipe.

And then we we have another clear well uh aation upgrades here. Um and uh and the lagoons need need to be reconstructed the backwash lagoons. So whether they get constructed in the same place or we have another area on our site to to reconstruct them.

So know the picture didn't come up. So, that was just a drinking water source supply uh engineering um for 100,000. This is our Route 6 12-in diameter water man replacement.

This is all designed in-house. Um so, we designed the full replacement and the construction is estimated at 1.2 million.

Just another replacement of a half ton pickup truck for the water division.

49,000.

And one more uh F uh Ford F550 uh four-wheel drive with a dump truck and and plow. Um they you know we had a lot of trouble. Uh not I say trouble, but you know with this snowstorm uh we needed a lot of the larger trucks in there. So our smaller trucks couldn't really do much.

So, just looking for an additional uh plow truck with for the for the water division.

That's more of a utility truck, right Tim?

Yeah, it's a it's a utility truck. It's an F550, so it's you know, it's a larger uh Ford, but uh it's a dump truck and also with a plow so we can plow with it.

And that's it.

Any questions?

Yeah, I can take in. I did I did see that a lot of your stuff is like twos and threes.

You did have some priority ones further down. Um, yes. So, so our ones are usually like immediate needs are water, waste water stuff. I know. Um, let's see.

how we we used to prioritize them kind of like one to 10 in in in a priority of how we want them.

So now it's now the priorities are based on I guess need safety you know life safety um I think like wastewater treatment and water treatment are a lot of ones where uh everything else kind of twos and threes.

Is there any way we can add to that by breaking it down of spring needs, fall, not spring and fall, which ones which ones can get delayed without really affecting too much.

Yep.

Uh just to give us a little bit of better idea so we can grab some of the, you know, easy pickings to get away for a little bit and think about a little bit.

Good idea. Yeah. You know, I know a lot of times um even though we we request vehicles in the in the spring and and similar to our road maintenance, a lot of time a lot of times either we don't get any vehicles in the spring, we get them in the fall or same thing with road maintenance, sometimes they'll break up the road maintenance, we'll get a portion in the spring and a portion in

the fall, you know, so that all that all works, right? So if we can try to do that just to help us out a little bit.

Yeah. some of the other uh items like a lot of the like the ones like like the water rate main replacement on Route Six say I mean they you know they keep asking for that you know do you have the funding so that's kind of an immediate need if we're going to move forward with that well I I agree it should be done because I know you talked about the savings just

with the police details and disturbing the road at the same time and similar like I said like [clears throat] we have one we have about 1.4 million left in our kitty for road maintenance. So, we still have a little, you know, money banked to start the year. You know, it's just, you know, eventually we're going to need additional funding. You know, um you know, the uh like the roadway designs um you

know, we these are continuation designs.

So, if we don't get funded, we just we push the design off a little further. So that pushes the construction off.

Um I'm a little concerned about the the Hawthon street even though I definitely feel it needs it.

But right now I think we're going to be having a conversation about uh in the near future about school and the middle school and you know we could design that whole thing and you don't and all of a sudden well we're going to put the school back there. you know, that's really going to dictate how the traffic flows.

How the traffic flows and different, you know, and that's the only reason why I feel uncomfortable.

Yeah.

Giving you that money right now.

Yeah.

Just because of the things that are coming up, you know.

Yeah.

Um, it may never happen. I just You're at 75% design, so worst case scenario, like if it We're at Hawthon Street's still under 25.

Yeah.

All right. because it says 75%.

Oh, so I'm looking for funding to bring it to bring it to 75.

All right.

You know, I mean, yeah, there's always time to change it, but I'd hate to see wasted money going after Yeah. I mean, the most of the I'd say most of the improvements uh would would be still intact. It's it's any changes in in uh like entrances, right? So, right. So, if you're going to if you're going to have entrances and exits to a new school location, you know, that would that would change. And that, you

know, that's all stuff that can be constructed, you know.

Yeah. I'm I'm just thinking, you know, because unfortunately, you know, say if you take a, you know, a section of the sidewalk there where you have a pulloff lane.

Yeah.

Uh to go into the high school or, you know, that would change a lefthand turn if you do if you end up going that direction. Granted, you you know, there's going to be a void if that was the case, but is that the best place to come out right onto Sulkum Road?

Yeah. Yep. No, you're right. And, you know, you might have to construct new entrances off of Hawthon if you decide to put the school over there.

You probably would anyway. I would think because I mean, it was always set up that way actually, you know, where it still is.

Yeah.

Um, but a little bit different. I think I think uh so the roads in in in rough shape and I think we need we needed upgrades on you know the pedestrian you know facilities because the sidewalks are a mess. Um it's a main it's also a main route to the hospital you know I'm not denying the the fact it's just the timing that's all you know. No.

Yeah, I think like I said, a majority of the of the work would be okay. You know, I think it's just, you know, based on the design, they might have to be some changes or or upgrades to that in the future.

Who else is going to see the presentation, Tim, besides us?

Um, just my board.

Your board. Okay.

I was thinking you could add a slide that said 2025 accomplishments other than the road work, you know.

Yeah. So people can point to, you know, but you're not shown a town meeting. It just is.

Yeah. Under the there was one slide that said completed.

Yep.

Capital. So that's some of the stuff that was that was completed.

Okay.

Um and then I think some of our vehicle purchases, I put it I put them under the the uh the respective department. So if it was a highway truck, I put it on the highway. That was a 25 replacement. So I could do one slide with just, you know, just completed. Well, I was just thinking sometimes people say, "What are my tax dollars?"

Yeah.

Get. And that would be a quick thing to say, "Well, this is what you get in 2025."

Absolutely. Yeah.

There was one truck you had there and I I'm remissed because I didn't write it down that you had 66,000 miles on it. I think it was a 99 something, you know, and you're looking to replace that. Is that a gas or diesel?

I think it's diesel.

And that's, you know, I've been saying this. side used to say this to the school department. Sometimes it's not worth going diesels if the parties aren't going to last.

Right. Right.

Unless you're going to transfer them and we have to start looking at that because I mean 60 something,000 miles on it. We did not get our savings.

Yeah.

We did not it was not worth having that diesel pickup. So we we really have to re-evaluate some of them.

Mhm.

To see what happens with those.

Yeah.

Like the the Packa 100,000 miles on a diesel.

Right.

That's nothing. That that pack is good.

You know that you're right. Don't get rid of it. You can rebuild it.

Yeah. If we can rebuild the the body because that engine is still good for Yeah.

You know, absolutely.

I would say 50,000.

Double that life, you know.

Yeah.

Um long as the body holds out. And that's our biggest problem with these vehicles we buy now is the frames just don't last. Yeah.

The metal's not there, right? And the you know to rebuild them all the all the materials to rebuild them are so high that you end up spending what you're going to buy a new truck for you know so that then you have to rate that you know so you just buy a new vehicle or you know correct and I think you can start seeing that now especially if they move towards electrification of vehicles I think

you're going to see that a lot more yeah so because if even we've applied for grants uh for electric electric vehicles the heavy duty vehicles And it it basically they they want to replace an existing diesel vehicle and they want to see proof that that diesel vehicle in the engine are destroyed. So they don't want you rebuilding that if they're going to, you know, give you an electric vehicle to replace it.

So I mean it presents it own issues too with larger electric vehicles like if they catch fire, the fire department seem to be like need to be able to handle that kind of stuff. So, I mean certainly I think the electric vehicle makes sense for smaller vehicles until they kind of get the technology to get to the the really large ones.

Um, and certainly if you have smaller vehicles it makes sense, but for large vehicles like that where they're stopping and stopping it just doesn't Yeah.

Yeah. And then you know above that would with storms like we had if you lose power for a long period of time are generators your vehicles are down large enough to supply power to charge our electric vehicles if you have a full fleet of electric vehicles, you know. So, crazy.

Scary.

Okay. Thanks, Tim. Nice job, Tim.

Thank you.

Thank you. Nice job.

Uh so, next on the agenda, old business.

I don't know if we have any old business, but um the minutes were up to date on the minutes. Have no minutes to to approve. Uh and uh at our next meeting on the um 10th, we'll be starting at 9:00 and doing HoverMaster Library DCTV um parks and recreation. We're going to be moving to the 17th.

So on the 17th, also at the 10th meeting, we have um maybe potentially some candidates that we wanted to interview.

Yes.

So I won't be here on the 10th. I'll be down in Florida. So thanks.

committee wanted to start making some recommendations, we could we could do that at that meeting.

I think that was the plan, right? To to do recommendations.

And then that probably would wrap it up for this session uh for the for this fiscal year. Um but obviously there's we've had a lot of information today, a lot of information come before us. So uh the the meeting on the 10th uh it will be half hour interval. So, we'll start at 9:00 for the hover master, 9:30 for the library, and then um wrap it up with DCTV

and then the and then we can do the interviews for the c any candidates for the committee.

[snorts] Okay. Do we have are we going to like form questions or is this going to be informal questioning that we're doing?

It's more informal. You know, you guys get to know them, see if they'll be a good fit, what their background is.

Yeah, I think that was more like if we had just a couple of questions to see what their background is or if they come up and and or unless they're just going to come up with their own statement like introduce themselves, you know.

Yeah, that and we can we can provide you with two or three questions.

Okay.

And then if you have others, you can ask them.

So, we we'll leave time at that meeting for for that.

Um, anything else?

What time on the 17th, please?

It's 9, right?

9:00 at 9. I I have that because you sent that to I sent that one. Sorry.

He's already at it.

I just have to edit some of the folks.

I didn't add the 10th cuz we didn't I don't think you probably didn't send that, Chris, cuz you're not going to be here. So, I didn't do it, but I can I can send it out if you want.

No, I got it. I just had a question about the time. We We start at 8 sometimes, but then you have to open the back door for us. Did you Yeah, it's also it's difficult for Luke to get here to create an invite.

I can. Yeah, I can do that.

So the the meeting for the tent's already been posted.

Yeah, we just we I like to have it in my calendar.

Yeah, if it's not in my calendar, it doesn't exist, right? So you already got them on, right?

No, the 10th the 10th.

So So I didn't I'll create that.

And Terra's got a new email address. So if you want to get her new email address, I will see. [sighs] Anything else from the from the committee?

No. What do you guys think about the Dartmouth Street project?

That's been one that we've seen now for like the last year, almost two years.

I just don't know what's if it's I drive over there all the time. There's never any traffic.

Yeah.

Over at the intersection.

Oh, at the intersection.

That's why I said I don't think it's it's not worth break, you know, it's not broken really.

I know it's weird cuz there's five intersections, but there's no traffic over there ever. And one of them, one of them you'll have to take some land, right, by eminent domain to be able to do that.

I just don't think it I think I think if they just put the crosswalks and you know like a you know colored crosswalk uh around that intersection cuz once they do if they do Middle Street they put sidewalks over there and then Dartmouth gets the sidewalks that takes that what caused all this? Did somebody get hit over there? Like this is they're looking for for funding from the state. the state wants to put

in there. [clears throat] This was brought up about I would say this was brought up about 10 years ago.

Yeah.

When they first started the whole Yeah. It's been a while.

It's been a long time.

Seen it.

Yeah.

You know, um so yeah, I don't know.

Like you said, if it's not broke, don't Yeah.

Keep the state out of it. Be safe.

I don't know.

Well, they want that money to to to do the work. So, they're going to impose like they're going to do what they want.

It's our money. Sorry. It's not a joke.

So, I'm going to make a motion to adjurnn.

I motion that we adjourn.

Second.

Okay.

All in favor? I I Thank you.