The Historical Commission meeting on December 1, 2025, began with the approval of the minutes from the November 3rd meeting after several corrections were noted, including the spelling of member Phillip V. Baker's name. The commission welcomed two new members, Dan Carda Jr. and Jen Mercier, who were recently approved by the select board. The commission then reviewed several applications. An addition at 50 Arrowhead Lane, presented by owner Linda D. Ro, was unanimously approved. An application for exterior renovations, including new siding and windows, for a commercial building at 292 Elm Street, presented by architect Greg Jones, was also approved. The commission heard a presentation from Christine Shay of the Brewster Thornton Group for an extensive exterior restoration of the DCTV building at 247 Russell Mills Road. The commission approved the proposed materials and general plan, with the understanding that final details like light fixtures would be reviewed again before the project seeks CPC funding. Following these reviews, commission member Sue recused herself from the discussion of her own application for a new green metal roof at 215 Bakerville Road. After a brief discussion about whether a change in roofing material requires commission approval, the application was approved by the remaining members. An application for siding work at 123 Willis was tabled due to a lack of clarity in the plans, which seemed to propose covering existing wood shingles with backer board. The chair planned to contact the contractor for more information. Under other business, the commission discussed the need to provide input on priorities for Community Preservation Committee (CPC) funding, the ongoing project to create a new memorial plaque for the Plumb brothers, and the progress on the latest batch of Form B historical surveys being completed by consultant Lynn Smiledge. The meeting concluded with plans to schedule a dedicated planning session for the commission in January.
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Well, let's go ahead and get started.
0:04Um, so this meeting is being recorded by uh Dartmouth Community Media, so everybody knows. And uh let's start by uh reviewing the minutes from our last meeting uh November 3rd that Bev set out on Friday.
0:31Um, does anybody have any updates or changes to the minutes from last meeting?
0:41My name has only one L in it for Phillip and I they put in it two L's, Phillip.
0:49So, you want to confuse the, you know, it's I only have one one L.
0:55Got it. Okay. And it's got a V between the name and Baker.
1:00A V. Victor is in V. Okay, got it.
1:03Okay, noted. And then well, Christina has been dealing with this for years with her last name.
1:08And mine's correct. Top, bottom, everywhere.
1:13That is probably a first right there.
1:15Um, and it's not I've got the complicated name, but actually we all just do. Um, well, great. So, can we go ahead and uh can I get a motion to approve the minutes?
1:26I just want to make a small correction.
1:29Um I think it's the first Oh, HDPR. I'm not sure. It said something about it should reads, not stubs if it's there.
1:38Oh, well, that was um that that goes right what they wrote. You copy what they Oh, you copy the details from the application. Okay.
1:47That's what Michelle said. She copies the the details.
1:50Okay.
1:50All right.
1:51So, That's what they Oh.
1:55Well, um I apologize. That's I Come on down.
1:58I thought I said the right word, but I'm sure it is. Please come on in.
2:02Welcome.
2:04Thanks.
2:08That's probably why it says you want to um board instead of baker board.
2:15Yeah, that's what's on there on this on this.
2:18She said put what they have. Thanks for coming.
2:22Um, so does that Sue does that satisfy I mean if that's how they wrote it up then I'm not about to change it. I thought that was there are always um discussing the minutes you know misspellings and well typically when you do a a minutes revision it's usually a correction. So if nobody thinks I mean it doesn't I would prefer to have it with the correct word not what they put don't you think
2:56I would too but um Robert could I just see I'm sorry and like disrepair is one word and yeah if you go into their application from the last okay and it should read walls do not if you want to do it like grammatically correct. I guess the the walls do not have full studs and that's what the that's what we discussed at the meeting.
3:26So I think that's about it though.
3:30Okay, that's it.
3:31I think it's fair. So this would um normally for Dev, is this something that you would do?
3:39Yeah, I can take it too. just uh I guess just in just in general copy it over but go ahead and make on the spot corrections because I think contractors sometimes now going forward do you want that to tell Michelle if it's she Yeah absolutely yeah yeah I just kind of accepted it as it was before but I think it's uh it's right to have it correct in the way that
4:01we discussed it because this is a recap of the meeting that we went through so um okay good with those uh with those corrections andations Does that sound good? Okay. Sure.
4:12Okay. Can I get a motion to approve the minutes from November 3rd?
4:16I make a motion that we approve the minutes of November 3rd.
4:20Okay.
4:21Second.
4:22Second. Okay. All in favor?
4:23I I Okay. Uh go ahead and pass that we approve the minutes from last month.
4:32Um great. Well, let's get started. Uh, I just want to note that we've got two new members with us today. Uh, we've got uh Dan, you prefer Dan or Daniel?
4:43Dan is fine.
4:43Dan, great. Carda Jr. uh went in front of the select board this last uh in November and uh was approved. Haven't gotten your letters yet just I think because Bev is I'm sorry um Michelle's out of town and uh I'm not sure what's going on with Melanie and the select war, but I it's on the way for sure. and um Jennifer Mercier.
5:06Mercier.
5:06Mercier. Yeah. Uh and you prefer Jen or Jennifer?
5:09Jen is fine.
5:09Jen's great. Also, new member. Same um uh same situation. Uh haven't got read into uh open gov and the process for demo uh reviews tonight. Um but uh we'll get that done in the next week or so and get all squared away. Okay. Um okay, let's take go ahead and get started. Um, HDPR25-4150 Arrowhead Lane.
5:38So, information online. So, you should have some information of what the addition is going to look like, right? Yes. Okay.
5:53I'm not sure what you all had for access of the information. Um, so basically what has happened is this house was previously known as 266 Elm Street. And when our headlane was cut through from Elm Street, um, there was never really a a location for a proper entrance to this house. Can I just stop you? Just please go ahead and reintroduce yourself to just the microphone and everything else. We all know you, but yeah,
6:22I'm Linda D. Ro.
6:24Okay.
6:25um owner of the property at 50 Arrowhead. And so um consequently, there are seven places where delivery people currently leave packages and other belongings. And in order to try to not have an Easter egg hunt every time I get a package delivery, I'm trying to establish one entrance point on Arrowhead Lane, which has never really existed before. So that's what the addition started off to be. And as you
6:51might know, things kind of get carried away from there. So, the addition is being put onto the um edge of where the um shed is currently. And the shed does not have access to the main part of the house. It only has exterior access. So, in the process of putting on the addition, there will be access through the shed into what is now the kitchen.
7:17The kitchen was added in the 1950s. This shed was added in 1970s. The main block of the house which is the earliest part of the house is not being altered or changed or affected. This is the main part of the house. This is the current kitchen. This is the current shed and this is where the addition is.
7:37Okay. So, the addition now will be facing um Arrowhead Lane because the main door of the main house faces Elm Street still. Okay.
7:51So the the address does not change at all.
7:53The address does not change because it did change back in 1986.
7:58Okay. All right.
8:01Okay.
8:03Is the D associated with 266 or 50 arrow?
8:09Okay. Because I couldn't find it on MRIS. I mean or MRIS didn't acknowledge that it was there. So, at one point it was known as the smallox hospital. Um, apparently in the 1700s there was a smallox hospital contained within the house and that's part of the history in the Okay.
8:34D.
8:43Um, are there any other questions? Could I see the entrance on Arrowhead? I I never saw it. I'm trying to look at the See the See the Yeah. How does it look from the street?
8:59This is how it currently is. Just so you can picture there.
9:03Yep.
9:03Okay. So, yeah.
9:12I know your house very well. Yeah.
9:25How long has it been in the works through the plans? Quite a while.
9:29In my head.
9:30Yeah. Long time.
9:31That counts.
9:3210 years.
9:33Okay.
9:34In real time. Five months.
9:37Okay.
9:38Well, I have no questions. Anybody else have any further questions for Linda?
9:45Okay. Well, then I'm going to go ahead and make a motion that we approve uh HDPR25-41 at 50 Airhead Lane uh for the uh addition that uh that Linda is planning.
9:58Um make that motion.
10:02And I'll second the motion that we approve HDPR-25-4150 headline.
10:09Did you say second the motion?
10:10Yeah. Second.
10:13I think it's an old song.
10:14Are we going to break out into songs?
10:17Okay. All in favor? All right.
10:20Thanks for coming, Linda. Appreciate it.
10:25All right. Excellent.
10:33Okay. Um, next is HPR 25-43, 292 Elm Street.
10:43There's our friend Greg.
10:47Hello. Um, excuse me. I'm Greg Jones, architect for 292 Elm Street. Uh, just a thank you to the new members. It's appreciate people stepping up to do this. Um, you still have to vote for it though if you don't like it. Um, so I was here probably two years ago with this project. We had done the commercial building on the front of Elm Street. Um, that's been finished. there's a tenant
11:11and I had come to get approval to the second building, the one right behind it, uh to fix the roof, which had some structural defects. Um so they went ahead and fixed the roof, did some odds and ends and that stopped about a year and a half ago. So the building's been sort of sitting there if you've seen it looking pretty forl. Um the owner of the property was trying to get a tenant for it and
11:38he got a tenant. the tenant fell through and that happened a couple three times.
11:42He still doesn't have a tenant for it, but he does agrees he can't really leave it sitting open to the weather like that. So, coming back to ask permission to resside it, put windows in, some doors. Uh, it's relatively nondescript uh because we don't have a tenant, but the portion of it facing Elm Street is this. And our hope is to have some three large doors, a couple windows, one
12:09on either end, and a sliding barn door that when closed would cover the three front doors. Um, if you've seen the building, this backside is about 10 feet away from the back side of Farm and Coast where they get all their deliveries and lots of activity back there. So, we decided really not to put any windows there. I think there were there was a window and a door back in the day when it used to
12:35look like this. Um, same thing on the side facing the two last structures.
12:42There's about 15 ft between the back of this and the front of the next structure. So, we're proposing just to have an egress door. Um, this side faces the the parking lot, so there's a few more windows. Um, the plan is pretty generic. There'll be a handicap bathroom, an entrance, and potentially a little kitchenet depending on, you know, what future tenant would like to do with it. Um, the materials we
13:07propose would be white cedar shingles, which is what used to be there before, white trim, Anderson A series windows, and um um architectural style asphalt roof shingles. Um, so the hope is he'll fix it up, which will be attractive enough to maybe get a tenant. Um, hopefully they'll like what we've done. If not, we'll come back and ask for changes.
13:32Um, no change to the side size the footprint.
13:35No, no, no change in the footprint. All these buildings are in the velocity zone. So any sort of expansion uh is prohibited. So it's exact same footprint. No change to that at all.
13:47And I couldn't is this is this own commercial? So, the the front building is commercial. The second building is zone commercial. The last two are residential.
13:56And I'll probably be back next month with the looking at the last two buildings uh because he's he would like to get the ball rolling once again uh after quite a bit of time of nothing happening.
14:11Sure. So, the small the two smaller sort of shells closer to the water are zoned residential.
14:16Residential. Okay. Yep.
14:17And but this is going to be a commercial building when it gets the plan. So the the challenge is if if any of the buildings change in use from what they used to be, um we pretty much lose the ability to grandfather re reusing them. Um so the building commissioner said if you stick with the use that they used to be, he won't consider it a change of use, which would trigger tearing them down and
14:41either not being able to build anything or having to build it 14 feet in the air to meet the flood requirements.
14:47Okay. So was I I don't know the history of this particular building, but this was commercial at some point or it was when he bought it, it was empty and the town has it listed as commercial. Um, it was full of one of the fellas that used to rent one of the spaces was a plumber and he filled it with all his extra pipes and toilets and sinks. And so was that related to the main
15:13structure because there was a plumber at 292? Well, so the guy that lived at 292 was the plumber. Yes. Y and he would store stuff in that building and this building um to the tune of about four dumpsters worth of pipes and scraps. And um so before that I'm not sure what the building was used for.
15:40Any other questions about this project?
15:42Are there any diagram? Oh, the windows you're putting in.
15:45Yeah.
15:47that that'll be seen from the street or or there won't be this is the street here.
15:52Okay.
15:52So there'd be three doors window and then sliding.
15:56This would face the driveway and this faces farm and coast.
16:00Okay.
16:01This faces towards the water is a building right behind it as well.
16:06Okay. Great.
16:13Any other questions?
16:17Okay. Um Okay. Can I get a motion on this?
16:26Okay. I'll go ahead and make a motion that we approve HDPR25-43.
16:31Um is that right?
16:32That's correct. Right. Yeah. At uh at 292 Elm Street.
16:36Um building number building number four.
16:41Is it number four? Is that right? Uh, I think the assessors does have it as number, the assessor has it as number four. I'm calling it building one just to keep it straight in my mind. One, two, three, going behind the big building, but the assessors has it listed as number four.
16:59I'm not quite sure where that comes from.
17:05Uh, okay.
17:11Yeah. Okay. Okay. Building number four.
17:12Okay. Yeah, it looks like it's two, but um anyway, it does look like I mean it's Yeah, it should be two.
17:19Um so anyway, I make a motion that we approve AGBR25-43 number 4 at 292 Elm Street uh to go ahead and finish this uh commercial project.
17:29Second.
17:30Okay. All in favor?
17:32I Okay, thank you very much.
17:35Thank you. Appreciate it.
17:44Okay, now we've got uh HPR25-44, the uh ECTV currently building at 247 Russell Mills Road. And we've got a presentation.
18:09Hi, I'm Christine Shay with the Brewster Thornton Group Architects and Peter is my client. Uh we're looking to do an exterior restoration of the DCTV building.
18:22Thank you.
18:27So, that is what it looks like right now. We're not looking to do anything crazy. We're um going to replace the exterior cedar shingles in kind with probably red cedar shingles because they last longer. Um we're going to replace any rotted wood with a composite material that will be painted. The um details will all match exactly what's there now. Um the roof's already been done. The gutters, the
18:59windows, those are already done previously. Um, so we're just kind of trying to clean it up. Um, you can see in some of the photos there's a lot of rot going on behind uh the shingles and I they've mitigated the water issues uh with some of the other projects, but we're just going to kind of keep trending in that direction. Um, there's not a lot of room, but right now the the
19:24site kind of slopes towards the building which is collecting water and creates issues. Uh so uh an updated detail once we've taken the shingles off, replaced whatever's rotted behind it, we're going to um we're proposing a um rain screen just to keep the water uh and the cedar shingles protected and then a small skirt board at the bottom. Um just because we don't have enough room to
19:51really truly um have the site kind of slope away. We're going to do our best, but there's only so much room. Um, so with the with a skirt board, we can mitigate anything that touches that area.
20:05What picture did that refer to? Is that is that uh right side second from the top? The where the skirt board will be where the skirt board will be. Yeah, it'll be along the bottom here, but it'll be everywhere on all of the elevations.
20:18So, here's some more. We're gonna just upgrade the, you know, put a material over the concrete. It's pretty much worn away so that you can see the aggregate.
20:30So, we have a silo material that can go on top of it and basically make it new again. Um, upgrade the handrails.
20:40There are a couple of places. These are just demo drawings.
20:47Uh so there are a couple of places here that back entry that we're proposing to put um handrails on that don't have them right now just to try to get closer to code. It's kind of a safety issue.
21:06And then you'll see something that's hasn't been part of this before is the two overhangs. So we're trying to keep them in the style of the building. And you see one right there at the top. Um those doors aren't protected. There's water kind of running down the face and then uh especially on the other side of the building.
21:27People use that uh exit a lot and so um for for moving things in and out. So I think protecting it is a good idea.
21:40Otherwise, just a lot of details. And then I don't know if you want to go to the other one. It's just keep going.
21:47Those are the historic photos.
21:50So, it's going to look just like that only in composite material and new cedar shingles.
21:56I'm sorry. What's the division between the composite and the cedar shingles?
22:00What's where's the composite is going to be a skirting board. Is that it's going to be a small skirt board, you know, like a 1x6. Um, and then the composite anywhere where it's like painted wood that's been rotted away, we'll take that off and we'll put a composite back so it looks the same but it's protected. Sure.
22:16So, cedar shingles wherever they go.
22:20AAC type type board for skirting and around the frames of the windows.
22:24Exactly. Uh new handrails, same same material.
22:28Okay.
22:29So, cedar, the rain screen, existing roof materials. Uh we're proposing the roof brackets over where the overhangs are.
22:42Just to the two new overhangs.
22:43Just the two. Yeah.
22:45Um, that's the handrail with the or the guardrail with the integrated handrail for ADA compliance. It's a look at the historic trim, painted trim. We're going to add some concrete splash box where there no longer is any and the water just kind of goes down and drills a hole into the ground. Um, and then in the back area, we're just going to replace the metal grate. It's kind of past its useful life.
23:11Sure.
23:13So, we also have exterior light replacement. So, this is uh just some options for the pendants or the uh wall-mounted ones on the exterior.
23:26And there's one right at the front entry that's ceiling mounted.
23:31That's it.
23:33Exciting.
23:37Look at these. Look at the pretty pictures. Who's taking the questions?
23:41You go ahead. Oh. Oh, yeah. Which of you two will take questions?
23:44Either one of us.
23:46Where did you get the date 1945 from? On the historic information that we were provided, there's a paragraph that says uh it doesn't look like that, but um it said that something like it was planned to be built on X date. And so that's just what we went with.
24:06It's 1893.
24:08Okay. So you're aware that if there are going to be any kind of choices made in terms of some type of a lantern or lighting that it should be more appropriate for the earlier date. Mhm.
24:22And um so so that you know there was a former just for discussion purposes there was a older town hall down the road north of the DCTV old that was also a town hall.
24:40Oh. So maybe that's so DCTV was a town hall. Then there was another town the earlier town hall was at least a half a mile away from there down Russell Mills Road.
24:50Okay. same side and it was built in 18 I think they 1838 and it was raised in 1937.
25:03So okay but the roof line is very similar for the old one both of them.
25:11Okay.
25:13and you'll find those photographs that came from Spinner that I forwarded.
25:24Okay. Well, we can make that update. I'm sure.
25:27Yeah, we can make that update. And then also, uh, this we we wanted to get your feedback right now because the next step of this project is going to CPC for funding hopefully in June. Um, so we know that those applications are due very soon. So, that's our next step. So, we want to stop here first to make sure everyone's kind of on board. And, you know, we can always come back in front
25:48of you when we have the actual pictures that we want to use and get your blessings on the pictures at that time.
25:55Can we go back to those fixtures because some of them look a little suspect to me.
25:59Sure.
26:04Okay.
26:07So, you said was 18 1893.
26:11Okay. Do we have an 1893 lamp available?
26:16Well, that's for them to figure out.
26:18Reproduction. We'll come back with that.
26:19Yeah.
26:20But but it's it's, you know, good. Good.
26:22Now that we know the center one, not so much.
26:25I don't like that at all. I like I like the right one. The left look quite pretty but the center one looks too modern to me.
26:32So decree.
26:34Yeah.
26:36But anyway, take under adisement. That's figure that out. Ju just curious with CPC is it is there any matching funding or is it all from CPC?
26:46Sorry Peter that that is a good question. I mean um CPC has advised us that there's usually some matching funds. Um so that will be a discussion with the town hall town fathers and see what we can do to to match. But um you know because we we do feel like this is going to be a very expensive project. you know, we haven't cost estimated it yet, but it's it's kind of what we're working on now
27:11to finalize those numbers. But I know when we did a study about 13 years ago, I want to say this the siding alone was over 100,000 was 110 or something like that. So, I feel like it's going to be more than that.
27:26Yeah.
27:27The windows, uh, are they going to stay?
27:30Are you going to replace the windows?
27:32They've already been replaced prior to us getting on board, so they are going to stay.
27:36Okay. Just the trim is going to be replaced.
27:37Just the trim.
27:38The the windows were replaced um 13 years ago when we moved in.
27:43And they were replaced with the same style window that was there before. It was that one over two, a two over one style. And then same thing with the roof. The shingles on the roof were redone at the same time.
27:56Okay.
27:58Uh, is there a time frame on the start of the project to the end of the project?
28:06Depending on funding, we're hoping to get into construction this summer.
28:10Yeah. So, we're we're hoping to go with CPC, get approval for June's town meeting, and then um so that happens the first week of June and then go right, you know, we might actually stop trying to get all the documents together before June's town meeting if CPC seems to have a, you know, a a good push on it and say yes. Um so this way we can kind of hit the ground
28:32running right after town meeting to put it out to bid and and um you know this is going to be a municipal project. So it's got to go through all the procurement laws and everything else. So be 30 of 30 days after that to get the bids, get the submissions, award the bid. So we're hoping to get construction this summer. Would the building be considered historic? Would a a different time frame for the historic of the
28:59building be considered on the So this is a historic building. Yeah. It was built in as Sue said 1893. So I think it's 75 years is kind of historical. And then it's also on the state I believe it's on the state's uh historical landmark website. So I think it's on your website. It's on our website.
29:22So that the state would uh be the um well for it to be considered for CPC funding, it need it need to be either on the state's website, but also I think the local historical board can kind of designate it as a historical but since it's on the state website where and and that's also why we came to you guys back before we got the funds to do this study. We that was another CPC
29:49grant that um you know we came before you to kind of get your blessing on it.
29:53So this way CBC took that as a yes this is historical building and and we're going you know one more question if um I don't know what our budget is for uh for a project like this but who would be above us would it be the state um looking into this to help out with the funding?
30:18I I believe it's, you know, CPC funding and then it would be uh Town of Dartmouth CIP funds and then also our funds from the cable revenue that we have.
30:28It's kind of a TBD at this point. You know, they're going to try to get what they can from the CPC from the preservation act and uh maybe may have to match bring some of their own money.
30:39Just kind of an unknown at this point.
30:41So, nothing to do with us really though.
30:43We're just kind of looking at the schema. And I should note that I I corresponded with Christine a couple times and just talked through a couple things before they got to this point here and I appreciate that. Um so so you just uh this is great. So I I appreciate that the check-in and the chance uh for uh for us to take a look at this and um we'll I'm sure we'll talk
31:04again throughout the spring and hopefully get you toward the finish line with CPC.
31:11So, I don't know if we need to uh approve this um formally, but um we can certainly take a vote on it as a um if it if if it is there's no building permit yet. Is that correct?
31:27So, so basically what we're looking from you is, you know, for us to cost estimate as you know, we have to go to CPC with how much it's going to cost. So if if you're kind of in, you know, approve of the composite stuff that that was presented and the e like you know the extra protections over the doors, um they can cost estimate it out. We just didn't want to come to you and when
31:51we get the building permit and then all of a sudden you say, "Oh no, we you can't do that composite material. You can't do that type of shingles. We we we kind of want to get that figured out now so this way we can cost estimate it properly." That makes sense. Well, so I I I appreciate that. I guess I would I would u make a motion that we as a board
32:12approve the current set of standards and materials and um sort of what you're the the ethic that you're going after here um with in the choices that you have.
32:26We'd like to sort of take a look at it again, but nothing that you've proposed so far seems like it's out of line with uh with what we would feel feel I feel that we would feel um is this look looks fine to me. So I' I'd go like to go ahead and give a um have us vote on uh where we stand right now with what you presented to us as being u usable and
32:48and a way forward. So um so I would go ahead and make a motion that we approve um the current plans as they are right now for HDPR 25-44 247 Russell Mills Road. um changing the uh the date of construction. Um thanks on that, Sue.
33:07Can I get a second on that?
33:08Second.
33:10Okay. Um I'm sorry. Any other questions?
33:12I did sort of skip to the end there. Any other questions on this?
33:16Okay. Can I get a Okay. U can I All in favor?
33:21Thanks. Okay, great. Thank you very much for coming in and for talking us through it and keep in touch.
33:26Thank you so much. You're welcome.
33:35Thank you.
33:38Uh, okay. Thanks. Thanks team on that.
33:41Um, HGPR25-44 215 Bakerville Road.
33:49Um, I think that is that's me. So, I'm going to recuse myself.
33:54Okay. Um, would you do me a favor just getting up introducing yourself as the homeowner?
34:01Sure.
34:02Yeah. Actually, you're there. You got a microphone there. Yeah. Just a little more. Just talk through the project what you're doing.
34:07Um, yes. I'm the home own homeowner of 215 Bakerville and I needed to replace the asphalt shingles because they were deteriorating. So before there were leaks, um I opted to replace it with a metal roof.
34:28What color?
34:30Green.
34:33And I we Sue and I talked a little bit about this and I I guess I thought that we as a group had decided that uh if it's a matter of a new roof that it did not require historical group approval. I don't know if that's is that can I just ask is that something that we all felt like we did talk about or that was my understanding coming into this group and from what I
34:59heard at Roger Williams for other historical commissions that that's pretty standard, but I'm still new at this. So, but I think what happened was because um building said you needed to go to historical. Correct.
35:16And I think it's because the material that changed from a regular to metal asphalt and I think there's a blurb when you look under replacement roofs that says something to that effect if the material is changed.
35:31But that's in the historic district. I reread that. So I don't know if that's if the language is in both. Um, but what I did read was that it was for a historic district and that might not be appropriate for I mean they could decide in the historic district that it wouldn't be appropriate. A metal roof wouldn't be appropriate. I don't know.
35:55I tell you what, I'm going to So I I did talk to the building department about this and they were like, "No, it's got to go to historical." But um I will talk to Randy and um just clarify that if it's not in an historic district um if the materials warrants coming.
36:13I'm sorry. Yes, Bill.
36:14How old is your house? 215. What is the date on it? Would it would the metal roof uh detract from the age of your house?
36:23On the agenda, it says it's built in 1900.
36:25Okay.
36:27Now, did you go under historical art our commission with all the because that's where I went. Oh, I went under our rules and that's where where it said it said for the historic Yeah.
36:42commission for in general.
36:43Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was because I looked it up when you were trying I thought whatever it was that you sent me it was historic district commission.
36:51So I can see.
36:54But either way, I mean I don't have any objection.
36:57Unfortunately, I was under the gun because of the the weather. Um and um I had someone from out of state doing the work.
37:08Well, we can go ahead and we'll just go ahead and uh you know approve it, ask questions and go through the normal process. I just wanted to go ahead and set uh figure out whether this thing we what the rule was and so that if you got that that's good to know.
37:21It says historic district though. Maybe I missed it but I don't see it. Historic district construction or repair. they're talking about it. The other thing that might come up with that is the um putting on of solar panels.
37:36That was something that other places like Newport that becomes a big deal where they're visible from the street and how far away and all those kinds of things how many panels but um I haven't seen that as part of any part of our process and I know that there's a separate um not you know like HDPR or whatever there's a separate one for solar panels that goes down about the material separate a separate application type
38:06okay for the building department for solar panels I believe there is remember seeing that and because I'm kind of going through this process right now on and so there um they the solar company usually handles all the permitting and such and uh I don't think it goes in front of historic but unless you've got different knowledge has anybody come in front of there was there was someone installed
38:31solar panels in Russell's mills without going before the district commission which is not us.
38:40Yeah. So, okay.
38:42I have a question.
38:44What is the reasoning why you chose a metal of roof for your house?
38:48Longevity.
38:49Longevity.
38:5040 years versus 25 to 30.
38:55Yeah.
38:56Our barn has it's 40 year asphalt still on the barn.
39:00No, I'm not saying that you can't, but I'm leaving Well, Anyway, you don't press.
39:06It's a It's a choice. Phil, your question.
39:10Uh, did I She's not putting solar on the metal roof.
39:14No, no, you need to do a solar. No, we're just talking about that as a notional thing like things on the roof.
39:20What has to come in front of this board is kind of the question. And so I I guess I also agree either if it's not a rule then as a practice for this board that we it's not really our purview unless but what's the difference between what we do in terms of oh there were already there were already replacement windows on the house and they're putting replacement windows back you know newer
39:46replacement windows and we've pushed that through. So, how different would this be if just as long as somebody's got eyes on it, not that they would have to come before a meeting of the historical commission, just that whoever is, you know, looking at the applications in advance of the meeting says no, it's okay. They can do it.
40:10You know what with this new system, what happens is, you know, with the roofs and the windows, like you said, We used to make the decision that it would go through, it would be fine, right?
40:25Automatically.
40:26Yeah. But because of the new system and you ask, "Is this house over 75 years old?" It automatically triggers that you have to do a historical permit.
40:38At that point, okay, it has to be filled out, but then you can say it doesn't need it because they were replaced before, but they have to have the per.
40:48This would happen to you. have the permit has to have a number.
40:52I agree. And and many times in the last year or so and I think Christine Chris before um if something a situation was like that uh I could I could sort of go ahead and approve it uh before it came in front of the board just because of that exact reason. If it was like for like and it had already been replaced and it was already out of historical character
41:11uh from the time it was built I go ahead and said yes this is good to go so we don't have to bring people in here to do this kind of thing.
41:18I I I agree with you. I still want to sort of track down and see what the building department has to say about this and and I'll do that both this and solar would be interesting. However, um are there any questions for Sue about this from anybody?
41:33Okay. Well, I I think uh Sue, you've sent yourself from this, which is great, but um I want to go ahead and make a motion that we approve HPR25-45 uh to uh replace the roof at 215 Bakerville Road.
41:47Can I get a second?
41:48I second the motion.
41:49Okay. Uh, all in favor?
41:54Um, I guess we I guess uh as a matter of course, should we ever do any opposed?
42:00Is that uh is that is that routine or is it uh if we don't have all hands up or if it warrants it?
42:06Yeah, I guess it warrants it. Any opposed to this?
42:09No.
42:10I Okay, great. Then I I'll go ahead and uh too late.
42:14All in favor? We already went through that. Okay. Um, good. Let's go ahead and approve. Too late. Right.
42:20Thank you, Sue, for coming in talking us through that.
42:24Okay.
42:24If you ever if we ever get enough snow, the snow slides off that roof so nicely.
42:29Oh, just thing of beauty. Yeah.
42:32Spray some Pam on it.
42:33Don't even need to. Just one little bit of sun and then all of a sudden it cracks.
42:39Yeah, that it does.
42:43What's that?
42:44Got rid of my roof rig.
42:46Um goes down.
42:47Lastly, we've got ACPR25-46123 Willis. Uh so just to let you know, uh he didn't have a historical permit.
43:00Okay.
43:00He filled one out, but he realized Oh, because it I guess it really needs it because it's really bad, he said. But he works at Gillette Stadium on Monday night.
43:11Oh, I see.
43:11So, he couldn't be here.
43:13Okay.
43:13He said it's pretty self-explanatory and it was in need of it because it's not doing too good right now.
43:20Yeah. Well, it's if we've sort of found out it's not absolutely necessary that the homeowner show up uh for the or anybody involved with the project show up for this. So, that's that's fine um that they're that they're not there, not here tonight. Um is anybody it's been difficult to take a look at the stuff in advance just because of the password problems that we had, but um has anybody had a chance to look
43:43at or any questions?
43:45I did.
43:46Yeah, I have a question. I think maybe in the description. I'm not sure what backer board is.
43:52It's just like hardy board. It's It's concrete board.
43:55Okay.
43:55So, it's just a very heavy one inch thick 4x8.
44:00Okay.
44:01Is that the stuff with the green? It's a green color.
44:04Am I thinking of something else?
44:06Um, yes it is. It usually is green.
44:09Yeah, Hardy is kind of the brand name for it, but it's just called backer board.
44:12Okay.
44:13Concrete board.
44:15And then it said, "Wrap all trim with aluminum."
44:19I wasn't really sure what that kind of like what they do when you have vinyl siding or aluminum siding when they go around the trim. They just It's easier to do it with aluminum. So they just All right. I just didn't know exactly what it I didn't know what it meant. I think they even did aluminum anymore.
44:40But I guess they do. So, so what they're saying is that they're going to go over wood trim with backer board and then go over that with aluminum siding.
44:48That's a lot.
44:49That's a lot. That's seems kind of strange.
44:51Backer board over existing wood siding.
44:54Over the siding, not the trim.
44:56Right.
44:57The trim is wrapping the aluminum over the trim, not the backer board.
45:02Okay.
45:03When I hear the word siding, I think of like cedar shingles and such.
45:07Is there different conception than that?
45:09wood siding. That's what they're using the backer board like a siding. It's going right over the shingles according to what they said, right?
45:16That's what it says here.
45:18So, is that is that what we want? I mean, is it We want them behind the cedar shingles and hide them behind backer board and generally you strip it.
45:28Yeah.
45:28Well, I've seen when they vinyl s they put like like insulation over the shingle and the vinyl siding goes over it. Maybe that's what what they're doing. I think he put pictures, but I can't get into Yeah, they put pictures up here.
45:39Um, so I guess I guess my point is is that the uh the character of the building, such as it is, uh, so they're going from wood to aluminum is the bottom line. horrible.
45:55No, they're going from wood, wood shingles covered with backer board, but they are wrapping the trim, the window trim with aluminum.
46:07So, they're doing aluminum siding.
46:09No, they're putting It's going over the backer board then.
46:12There's no aluminum on the backer board.
46:14It's the backer board is over the wooden shingles.
46:18So, what's going to go over the back?
46:20Nothing. I guess the backer board is going to stand alone. It's concrete. It can't.
46:26I don't know if he put it in there. If you go into the building, there was something but it doesn't if you go under what it says for plans, but if you go into the building, the building part curling.
46:40He drew something.
46:43I also thought that I thought the shingles are good.
46:46That's a I didn't see any problem with the shingles. I I I don't I can approach you to have a couple of chairs then but I have to buy the fabric. They're not great, but I mean they're not they not drive through. They I don't you would never have back or concrete board as the thing faces.
47:06It's a foundational material in the building.
47:09So is that the building and that's it.
47:13Get in there.
47:14It's past the I think there he must have either mistaking it or just understanding it. Um because um so I mean yeah the house needs some work but and all four of them are pictures plans something in building they don't seem that bad did building did somebody see a picture that made made it look if you can get into building can you get into building I I can't even get into the into the program over here
47:40um you talking about open gov just look at the you mean the residential the RBP yeah Okay.
47:50For 123 um Willis.
48:02Um no, I'm I'm not sure how it would do that from open gov.
48:06There's the RBP. If you go on the left hand side, do you see attachments?
48:10Right.
48:11It should be residential building permit, right? Oh, I see it. Got it. So now where is it? Pictures of the building.
48:19Yeah, it's the same picture. Is there another one?
48:30Bev, could you tell that the shingles were cupping?
48:34They didn't look like it on any of the pictures that I saw.
48:38They're not surface. I don't see any.
48:41Couple more pictures here, but they're probably the same ones.
48:43Yeah, same. They are the same ones.
48:45Yeah, they're the same thing. But there's nothing. I mean, the paint is peeling, but you don't have the dividing those shingles.
48:53And even so, we would ask that they if they're going to replace them, replace them with what was on.
48:59Well, they could they could do a paint shaver and take the paint right off.
49:04Takes minimal amount of product to wood off would take the paint off. Now, is there something here?
49:13No, there's not.
49:14No, it's not.
49:15Better than my house.
49:17Um, okay. Well, I think um I it seems like we need more information from this.
49:25I did say to him, I said if there's any questions that you you would probably reach out.
49:31Okay.
49:32You think we have questions?
49:34Um, do we do I mean it it doesn't seem like the sh there's anything wrong with shingles?
49:40No.
49:41And we don't understand whether he's going to be putting anything over the backer board or not.
49:48Well, according to what they the description, right? Yeah. We don't know.
49:56Um.
49:59Okay.
50:01I I'll give him a call tomorrow.
50:08Okay. Um, great. This is um anyway realized that the person couldn't be here. And uh was it the person you talked to? Was it the contractor?
50:20Contractor. Yeah.
50:22Okay.
50:23Is that the person who owns the house or is he just doing the contract work?
50:26I think he's just doing contract work.
50:30Okay. So, we're it's inconclusive. And so I think what I'll do is I'll talk to either the contract or the homework tomorrow and I will let everybody know um what what the response was and I guess for for notes just say it was inconclusive yet. We have questions and we have more more stuff to do there.
50:54You want somebody Yeah, please. You got it. Yeah.
50:58Computer. I don't even know where they did that.
51:00They did.
51:03What is put your email in?
51:07Oh, okay.
51:08He's the contract.
51:09I already filled it out.
51:11Oh, he's so nice to me.
51:15He's the one that set this up.
51:19Oh, Bob.
51:22Thank you, Bob.
51:30We're just screenshot and send to me when you can or whatever. I appreciate that. So, I'll I'll give them a call tomorrow.
51:36Okay, that that takes care of our demo applications. Um, and uh just for two new members, this is kind of typically how the first part of our meeting goes.
51:46We we get these in advance. People apply um when they apply for a uh construction permit uh a building permit. Um house is more than 35 years old. Um, open gov has got workflow built into it that goes when went ahead goes ahead and routes it to this commission. We get a chance to look at it and review it um and it becomes part of the agenda and then we
52:07can go on and take a look at the structures and the plans and the pictures and ask any questions like this have it ready to go in advance and then they come in in front of us and and ask that question. Um, and this is about this is about the typical workload that we get. You know, four or five a night could be could be more could be a few less. Um, These are pretty pretty
52:26easy ones. Um the uh the DCTV one was a it's a pretty complex project, but um but I'm glad they just walked us through where they are right now. Um okay, if that's done, we can move on to other business. Um and so we already had a presentation with consultants working with Peter. Um, I guess a question I had for them is it's not particularly Germaine, but um, of the three big
52:54buckets of CPC funding, um, is this coming out of historic?
52:59Yes, I assume that it is.
53:01Well, it's not affordable housing and it's not open space. So, the third one is historic.
53:06You're right. I think I think that they have um other they don't call it slush money, but they've got some other money that's not part of this that that big budget, but I guess it makes sense that that's where our form B money comes from.
53:19Okay. Okay. So that that that just kind of makes me think that I got uh a note you and I got a note from Buddy tonight just asking for input before the December 15th meeting uh about uh our plans visav um CPC funding and initiatives. And um I wish the timing was a bit a little bit different just because I wanted to have a um a planning meeting for the coming year. I guess I
53:46was thinking about having that in January having us all get together and come with ideas and some things. But um maybe what we'll do is just uh over email um we can sort of send a email trail around and sort of talk about some things that we want to talk about or at least put onto a list of our priorities uh for CPC and you know where they might might need funding other than um another
54:14uh form B audit for the coming year. I think it's more about priorities and not specific projects.
54:22Yeah. Yeah, it's a good point.
54:23And there is something I we could maybe find the link for it um on the CPC site that shows what the priorities that were listed in 2019 are.
54:35So we can see if those have shifted at all or whether we still want to stick with those.
54:40Okay, good. Yeah, it seems like an like a ages ago 2019. does yes does um okay um S sorry and also just a few there is quite a bit of money in the CPC fund for historic preservation we have not spent a lot of that money recently um so I think it keeps getting added to every year it's about it's over half a million now yes sure and um you know so obviously this
55:11project will take some of that but something we could about where else would we like to use this money? Again, back to the priorities.
55:20Yeah. And I don't know whether um we had the uh fire district number one come in front of us uh six or so months ago and uh with a request for exterior upgrades and changes and repairs and that was going to go in front of CPC. I don't know what ever happened to that. I haven't heard any more from that at all.
55:40But that would be but that had nothing to do with the existing fire station. And it had to do with the old fires fire barn across the road.
55:47Yes. Yes. That's what I mean to say.
55:50Yeah. Yeah. Because the new one has got their own own things going on. So anyway, that was uh kind of a similar project in terms of outside kind of falling apart and such and a lot of money to reshing, but I don't know if it ever came in front of CPC and took any from the pot of money. So just an unknown. Um, can I Oh, so Sue, I know you've been
56:12doing some work on this uh plumber plaque. You have any progress you want to talk about? um only that uh I I I I'm also on the historical society and I'm working with a young woman who's part of she's on the board and she's very good at layout and design and I asked her if she would be willing to work on what the layout might look like if we did some type of a display board
56:47um sort of memorializing the two plumber brothers at the bridge. And I gave her the two photographs that were given to me along with the um the documentation that went along with it. And she also works with somebody who who was a former employee at the um Whailing Museum. He was a conservator and he cleaned up the glass so she could actually do some pretty decent um she could scan the
57:21photographs of the of the plumber brothers. So now she she's going to also take a photograph go to um the Council on Aging and meet with Matt and take a photograph of the bronze plaque.
57:37Okay. and that's sort of in the works. And then I've spoken with Tim and Tim and I are going to meet along with somebody from the highway department and we'll identify the spot at the bridge where that could go, what the dimensions might be and then I can approach the um company um which is interpretive graphics out in Utah I think and get a a price and see what we can come up with
58:10um to replace the bronze plaque.
58:14Okay, that's good. Um, I wonder if we uh if it was a I wonder if if it's a net new thing as opposed to repairing the bronze bronze plaque if if CPC would be interested in putting maybe matching the funds from the Veterans Commission or if that just complicates things. Well, I mean, I guess we could I think that somebody already looked into that and I thought that Buddy said that that would not be
58:43an appropriate use of That is true. I did write a letter. He said it would be appropriate uh I think to repair the bronze, but maybe for something new. Maybe I'll just ask him as a way to do it.
58:54I think it's worth asking because this would have more information. It would be a physical thing that people could read about the history. Mhm.
59:02So, I think it's worth asking again.
59:05This is a a plaque that was taken off the bridge.
59:08I don't know if you know the background.
59:10I thought um so there was a plaque on a bridge. The bridge got redone and um it got taken off and it was in disrepair and then when the bridge got reonfigured there was no room for it. No, they put a guard rail up where the so that there's no space attach it again.
59:33So, we're trying to figure out a different way to honor these brothers and tell their story in a better way. Um when I when I spoke to Matt, he didn't I mean the last price that DNRT got for one of those um displays at the like at a trail it was $1,200 but that was like 2021.
59:56So it's going to be a little bit more I suspect, but Matt didn't seem to think that that was a crazy amount. So that's that's fine. That's it's it's in the our purview over there. And yes, there's money. It's a matter of what bucket to take it from. But that's good. And I was thinking around that much money. That's that's that's fine.
1:00:18That's that's that's fine. Okay. Good.
1:00:20Um thank you for that. And then um maybe Christian Sue, any updates on the lint smile?
1:00:29Uh yeah, we met and um with Linda and we went over all the ones. We took out all the rough drafts that we had been given, which is all of them, and we went through everyone and took notes and made some comments. And then I went back and I typed them all up and then sent them out for review to make sure I didn't miss anything. And there are a few
1:00:51things I need to um tidy up. But I'm going to send that off to Lynn this week for the corrections and then she'll probably send us back the last um you know the last drafts of them and then hopefully they'll be in good shape and we'll be done with them. We'll be able to bring them bring it the project to the CPC, have it funded, send her a check and
1:01:16move on to the next batch. Yeah. Start making a list.
1:01:19Um, I'm curious the amount of interaction with Sue. Well, I'm sorry, with uh with Lynn. Um, I'm just trying to gauge, can we can we have two of these running at a time? Um, and or have one lined up when she's done or is it I know you spend time working with them with her and uh correcting and and amending and such. Um would is that do you think it's too ownorous to try to
1:01:47keep these going serially?
1:01:49No.
1:01:49Okay.
1:01:50No. I think in my opinion you guys can speak up too, but um it seems to me that this is a nice small amount. It's a you know it's a smaller time frame. It's not like the hundred and some odd. I think we need to be We talked about this too a little bit. We have to be very careful in selecting what's on the list. We did find one that had had a form B done
1:02:13before. Maybe there were two of them.
1:02:16Um and there that's not the first time that that's happened. I was looking back at something else today. I was, "Oh, there they're two of the these two." But, um, did she not know that or did we probably we should have known.
1:02:31Yeah. So, I'll take that on myself. But um you know it just we need to think about the philosophy of how do we choose the properties and we talked about spreading them out over different parts of town so they're not all like the pretty houses of midum kind of thing and uh we did include some commercial properties which diversified things a bit um but I think it's worth having another discussion about what goes on
1:02:58the list and what are we trying to do what's the purpose and just making sure we're spending our money wisely.
1:03:04I agree. I think we we've tried to get at that and I think we've back, you know, a year or so ago, I think we talked to a couple other consultants and maybe another town about how they went about. Actually, I asked the question of the uh the list serve and got some some feedback, but it wasn't very much different from what we'd already decided to do. Just try to, you know, keep keep
1:03:27the variety out there and don't try to favor one section versus the other. So, This is all new to me. Are we trying to expand our inventory of historic properties?
1:03:38Okay.
1:03:38So, we there are obviously more and more houses every year that are historic because it's 75 years.
1:03:46And we have still have quite a few before 1900 that haven't been done.
1:03:52Yeah.
1:03:52And for some reason, which I don't understand, there are some from the 1970s that have been done.
1:03:59But as it may, Um, you know, there there are ways of developing these lists, I suppose, of what we want to have done, but we need just need to make sure they haven't been done already and that we are doing ones that that make sense. You know, there are sometimes it's a a location or a something that used to be a business like with this bold building one and maybe it's not the
1:04:28fact that the house is still in really great shape but it has an important history and so just you know talking it through and balancing so offer plaques for these homes.
1:04:42No homeowners do that. We're just um we've hired a person and this has been going on for years to to do the historical research, the architectural research on these homes, do the deed research and then um we take this batch which has 24 this time. Um and then we send them up to Mass Historical and they enter them in their database and then when somebody comes here and wants to make
1:05:10some changes to their we knowledge of We have some understanding of whether this is a significant building, what what it used to look like. We we've got the story.
1:05:19Okay.
1:05:20So, we're just trying to um continuously add to that so that we have as much data as we can.
1:05:26Okay. And sounds good.
1:05:28Yeah. Good. Good. And did was there any um anything specifically? How did Smith Mills look that go the form on that? Is that I mean, yeah. I mean, she's She's as thorough as you would hope she would be.
1:05:47Um, that's great. I'm glad to hear that. Um, so she's I never met her in person, but she seems like she's pretty great.
1:05:54U, this is the contractor we hired for this job.
1:05:57Okay.
1:05:58Um, anything else on that?
1:06:02Um, I just wanted to say that I I would really like to have a a planning meeting to to talk about, you know, what what we as a group want to do. Um, I was thinking, um, just just to say that we should, uh, might be worth even, um, just something I was considering, uh, talking to the folks in um, in what am I thinking of? um Westport or another town and look at their
1:06:35historical commission, the kind of activities that they are involved in, what they spend their time on over and above the uh the demo permits and uh just to try to get some ideas about, you know, direction or things that we we could maybe take and find valuable. Um and I've got some ideas from the list serve as well that other towns were working on. Anyway, I thought that we could do that in January. I don't know
1:07:00the rules for having a meeting that that is or a gathering that is not a published meeting. I guess um you still have to post it.
1:07:09Probably have to post it. Yeah. But it's something that we could probably do um and uh do it out of out of the sequence of our Monday night meetings sometime in January. So I'll float some dates out there for that in next couple weeks and we'll see.
1:07:25One question. Uh, Jen is really not on the on the email group. She's been left out.
1:07:30I think I sent it to you a couple times, so maybe it might not. So, I'll just give you my email tonight.
1:07:36I keep forwarding it to her because she's not on.
1:07:38I'm sorry. I thought I I thought I had that squared away, but I didn't. Okay.
1:07:42Yeah, give it to me tonight. And did I hear you say you don't have a computer?
1:07:46Correct.
1:07:46Okay. Okay. Um, but working together.
1:07:49Yep.
1:07:50So, and are friends and so this is great. You're business partners sometimes and it's great. Um, so that's great. Um, so as long as that that you can you can look at these things and Yeah, we're together.
1:08:00Okay.
1:08:01All the time.
1:08:02All right. Um, well that's great. Um, so I'll fix your email. We'll get that squared away.
1:08:06And um, you have Yes.
1:08:10Okay. Um, are there any other uh things for tonight? I think business that we haven't talked about yet.
1:08:18I know Phil said his name was wrong, but I think it was your name wrong on the new letterhead.
1:08:23No, my name is correct on the letterhead. That's current.
1:08:28It was in the minutes.
1:08:29It's the email you sent me recently. It has got two L's and no V.
1:08:39But there's a V. There's a V in the in the letter head.
1:08:42Yes, there is. I made the letter head like a week last week and put these folks names in it. So, that's correct.
1:08:49But I guess it was on What was it?
1:08:51It was in the top of the minutes. the minutes. Yeah, was the minutes that was um I want to find I was looking and I didn't see half of the minutes right here.
1:09:00Okay.
1:09:02So, and do you have um do you have Allen's phone number?
1:09:07Yeah, I've got it. Well, well, I took a screenshot and you had all my other stuff on there.
1:09:12Text it to me.
1:09:12I'll text it to you.
1:09:13Sounds good. Okay. Any other any other business?
1:09:17Thank you both of you for joining tonight. I'm sorry about the about it.
1:09:23Cha early in the other room. We didn't know where it was.
1:09:27It's late for everything.
1:09:29I was early today.
1:09:30And uh so I'm I'm grateful for that and I'm really looking forward to it.
1:09:34It is always in this room now.
1:09:36Always in this room.
1:09:37Okay, good to know.
1:09:37So So we have a we have a dedicated office kind of around the corner.
1:09:40Yeah, we're waiting by the office over there.
1:09:42And and maybe we'll if it's big enough, the table big enough, we'll use that for uh for our planning meeting or maybe we'll go someplace fun and do it differently. But any regard?
1:09:53Yeah, food would be good. Maybe like a I think like a two two hour meeting or something like that. Okay. Anything else?
1:10:00Yeah, please.
1:10:00Okay. Um let's go ahead and adjourn the meeting.
1:10:03Make a motion that we adjourn the meeting.
1:10:05Uh I second that motion. That motion. Okay.
1:10:10It's hard. It's hard not to say. It really is. All in favor? Sing it.
1:10:15Thank you.