The Historical Commission meeting on March 16, 2026, began with the approval of the February meeting minutes after a brief discussion on improving the timeliness of agenda and minutes distribution. The commission then reviewed three building permit requests. The first, for 88 Hancock Street (HDPR 26-21), was tabled due to the applicant's absence and the commission's inability to access files and ask clarifying questions. The second request, for 117 Old Westport Road (HDPR 26-8), was presented by homeowners Joseph and Karen Gajookski and their contractor, Brian Pepsac. They detailed a plan to remove three layers of siding, including vinyl, and replace it with Hardy board to restore the home's original 1900 clapboard appearance, while also adding insulation and addressing frozen pipe issues. The commission praised their historically sensitive approach and unanimously approved the project. The final request, for 28 Greystone (HDPR 26-9), was presented by owner and real estate investor Alex. His plan included replacing broken wooden windows with vinyl windows featuring wood trim, replacing roof shingles, repainting the existing siding, and potentially repairing the front porch structure while preserving its columns and roof. This request was also unanimously approved. The meeting concluded with general business, including a report on a recent Community Preservation Committee (CPC) meeting, a discussion about historical signs damaged by snow removal, and an announcement for a Historical Society event on March 21st.
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Hello everybody.
0:05Uh I want to first of all open up the meeting and note that this is being recorded by Dartmouth Community Media.
0:15And uh go ahead and call the meeting to order.
0:19Um first of all team uh have you had a chance to take a look at the notes uh from our last meeting that Michelle sent out this afternoon? I didn't get those. I must have left.
0:31Yeah, I think that um we should I'm not sure, Bev, when these notes got to to her, but these last week.
0:42No, what happened was my keyboard died.
0:44I had to get a new keyboard.
0:46It just came in.
0:47It just came in. Yeah.
0:48Okay. Okay, that's fair. Um and I think we didn't get the uh the uh agenda until over the weekend. And so I was thinking about what's an equitable time to, you know, uh to to have it in advance of this meeting. I think we should uh we should have it no later than say noon on Wednesday of the week before. Does that seem fair to everybody? Give us enough time to look at things. And
1:12that's the way it used to be.
1:13Yeah. I And I'm not sure why yet. Uh sometimes it's not been that way.
1:17It's because the chair used to draw up the agenda.
1:21Okay. Um Chris, is this something you've done before? You did you did that?
1:25Yeah, I would work with Michelle on that earlier and then Well, I work with her early in the week.
1:30I mean, I I we did back and forth on Monday of last week or the Friday before about what should be on it.
1:38Um yeah, so anyway, I just I think it's a um I think earlier and we miss potentially missing um listings that come through the building department that need to be on this month meeting and later makes it hard to just to look at it and uh yeah, do stuff. So anyway, I'll talk with Michelle about that. We'll get that straight. Um, taking a look at this uh at the February meeting minutes.
2:01Um, are there any uh I know you guys didn't see it. Any questions that everybody has about it or any amendments you need to make?
2:08I just had questions. Since I wasn't here, I can't vote on it, but I was just wondering whether you were able to follow up with all the folks where you had questions and postponed. I did and um I sent at least in two cases I sent notes on portal to them in one case heard back uh in the other case I believe they talked to Michelle over the phone and uh I think it's still unresolved.
2:34Okay.
2:34Um so um I think that's I think that's the status and I got to talk to Michelle about that Michelle Vieiraa. So, uh, anyway, can we, um, I had no other questions about this or any other amendments. Uh, does anybody else have anything else to add to this last month's meeting? Okay, I want to go ahead and, uh, can I get a motion that we go ahead and approve our February meeting minutes?
2:58Make a motion or we approve the February minutes.
3:03Second.
3:03You second that motion. U, great. And all in favor?
3:07He wasn't here.
3:09I didn't see him.
3:10Who was it? Okay. All in favor? Uh, everybody voted. Everybody who's here voted.
3:16No, I was just wondering if you weren't here, can you make a motion? But I guess you can.
3:20I'm not sure. I'm not sure about that.
3:22Anyway, anyways, it's it's all good. Um, well, great. Um, so folks, thanks for being here tonight. I know we're taking a look at uh at three different uh building requests that come in front of the historical commission.
3:35Uh the first up is um HDPR 26-21 which is 88 Hancock Street. Is anybody here representing that?
3:42No.
3:43Okay.
3:45I had trouble opening that up and looking at that. Anybody else have trouble with that?
3:51I I did, but Michelle had ended up um uploading it and sending it out. So, okay. Yeah, I I I could not open the files or anything with that one. So anyway, um we'll have to circle back to that one and uh I'll talk to Michelle about that.
4:09Okay, great. And next is HDPR 26-8 117 Old Westport Road. That's great.
4:16Welcome. So, uh please come up and uh introduce yourself and and say if you're the, you know, the homeowner or the builder or what have you and uh go ahead and make some kind of a just kind of show us what you got.
4:34Good evening. Uh my name is uh Joseph Gajooki or Joe Gajookski. Uh and this is my wife Karen or Casey Gajookski. And uh uh we purchased the property uh moved from Beverly, Massachusetts. Uh sold the house I grew up in and moved down here in the middle of uh December. So uh and uh been there uh at 117.
4:59since we want to get closer to our grandchild and his family. So, good deal.
5:05Yeah.
5:05What you got? So, what's what do you plan to do?
5:07This is the house as it is.
5:09You can see it. It's from 1900.
5:12Okay.
5:14Um this is why we need new siding. This is what we are here to discuss.
5:19Yeah.
5:20Um there's another layer of siding under this.
5:23You see it here. Sorry. So, there's three layers.
5:29We just have some issues. So, we opened it up. You'll see lots of the shingles are curved or curled.
5:40Um, so we opened it up. We found a hole here in the house.
5:45Oh.
5:45Oh, wow. Okay.
5:46Yeah. There's a hole over here. There's some um I don't know what you got sent. Um, so there's a layer of of of plywood siding and then shake shingles on top of that and then other shapes like these are straight shapes like together and these are offcentered ones. Okay.
6:05So there's like three all over it and then there's an addition that we don't know what is under.
6:14Okay. Yeah.
6:16So unfortunately they have frozen pipes also.
6:18Yeah.
6:19They put pipes in the outside wall. So they had frozen pipes all winter long.
6:22Oh my goodness.
6:23And subsequently during this process, we'd like to do he's got to go up to the You have to come up if if you could please just come up and introduce yourself just so we have it because it's being recorded. But thank you.
6:34This is our contractor.
6:36Okay, great.
6:36So my name is Brian Pepsac. I own Custom Construction Concepts, Inc. And a lot of the, you know, there's a lot of things that we can do to enhance the property as well as just siding. And in the meantime, we, you know, when the siding's off, we can do blown in insulation and we can give it somewhat of an R value, right?
6:52Also address the, you know, the pipe issue with the frozen pipes.
6:56Oh, yeah.
6:57I I know that this winter was abnormally cold.
7:00You know, we get one of these every 10 years but Okay.
7:04Yeah.
7:05So, you're going to you're going to replace some some water supply pipes?
7:09Yeah.
7:09Well, we don't I I have to get in there and see. We were in the process of trying to get started and unfortunately we got stopped and you know so I haven't had a chance to assess. I don't want to do anything else until we have approvals.
7:20Sure. Understand. So it looks as though you intend to replace the uh the siding with with Okay. Hardy board.
7:29Yep.
7:30Like that's what it conceptual what it's going to look like.
7:39How it should have been.
7:40Okay.
7:40Was My husband and I, Joe, we've been doing some research on these houses. We can't find this one particularly. Even Brian at the uh Sure.
7:50library was was shocked that we couldn't find this exact, but we didn't. Um but we've been doing some research on the 1800s and pyramid roof as a pyramid which we got replaced. That's all set.
8:01Yeah, we did that about a month and a half ago.
8:04Okay. So, so Hardy board will be the actual exterior facing.
8:07That's correct.
8:08Yeah. Right now it's right now uh it's uh old vinyl siding vinyl.
8:13So Oh, it's vinyl.
8:14Yeah. So there's no no clapboard and then shakes.
8:18Okay.
8:19That was my question.
8:20Here's the vinyl side that still.
8:23So this is this is C shakes.
8:25Yeah. But that's after they took the vinyl off.
8:27That's after they took the vinyl off.
8:28Okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it.
8:30Vinyl off to get. Okay. That was layers.
8:32And then here's the three layers like an onion.
8:35This is the vinyl.
8:36Oh yes.
8:38like an onion.
8:39Perfect.
8:39And it's all discolored and holes in it.
8:42It has holes.
8:43Yeah. Oh, it's going to look great when it's done.
8:45Yeah.
8:47So, PVC corner boards, PVC window casings, uh new historic sills. I mean, done correctly. We're going to do metal on the faces because it gets covered with gutters anyway. And then all new 4inch gutters.
8:58Just keep that right. Yeah, please. Yes.
9:01Well, I mean, so that everybody can see it.
9:04Thank you.
9:04Yeah. And we just want to do new Um doors we need. So that's the kind of door we're going to do. Just so is that just the storm door or is that the full storm?
9:18Yeah. Nice. Okay.
9:22He can see that's the world I could go to. Yeah.
9:28Um one of the photographs on the other side. Yeah. Um, so originally the she it was clapboard.
9:37Yes.
9:38Is that correct?
9:39Oh, see the shakes and then clapboard.
9:41No, it's reverse.
9:43Opposite.
9:43Yes.
9:44Oh, okay. So, okay. The original clapboard. Yeah.
9:46Yeah.
9:47So, clapboard, cedar shakes, then vinyl sighting. Okay.
9:50So, shakes then vinyl. Yes.
9:54So, you're going with hardy board which will look like the clap boards.
10:00Correct.
10:00Correct. That's what we want.
10:02Yes. Okay. Now, the P Are you touching the porch at all?
10:07We're going to do No. Uh, well, the porch.
10:11We thought front porch.
10:13We'd like to just do new railings.
10:15We thought Yeah, we thought we would do this to open it for air, but a front porch.
10:21What we really need to do is get rid of the the shrubs in front is what is most eminent right now. These shrubs, there's just no air in front of the house.
10:30Right. But what I'm concerned with are the posts, not not the rail. Okay.
10:35Oh, no. You don't. Okay. So, you don't really know us. We're very I want to know everything about this house. I want to know who put these up.
10:43Like, we're trying to research like everything. We We went far as far back as um with Ryan. 19 30 is all we had time for to get get back to. We have her name. We know she's buried in the cemetery where no no anything that is I mean, if we could have kept these, you would have done that.
11:04When I saw them, I was like, "Yes, but then they're not all over."
11:09Yeah.
11:09And we thought, so Collaborate was what was used in 1900 when it was built.
11:13Yes. Okay.
11:14Yes.
11:15That's what we're faithful to what um you know, it looked like back then.
11:20We would we're not touching the uh the structure of the front porch at all. Uh the only thing it does slope just a bit because it's sake at the front. So may at some point have it lifted and just put a footing under it just uh but it's not take note.
11:36It's not It's not critical, but that's But the side porch that you see there, the side entrance, that's when we This is what we just want to do like a So, what it is is the side one is It's all It's so closed in. Oh, it's right here. So, this this is what it is now. And this is all plastic stuff. All this is plastic. We just want to take this plastic stuff down underneath this
12:03wood. keep the wood and just put like a jack and gel go to the driveway and then go to the backyard and that's all done.
12:12Yeah. Next one.
12:13And just get rid of this.
12:14Just steps to the back.
12:15Plastic covered.
12:16Yes.
12:17It's all covered on yours, right?
12:19That's all plastic.
12:20The foundation is is stone.
12:22It's good. It's solid.
12:24Well, the reason I ask is because in the photographs all I see are poured concrete. Yeah.
12:31Oh, no. It's here is Well, they because they repaired it before we moved in. We asked them to repair the side here.
12:37That's um Yeah, they sealed the They sealed the uh stone. Okay.
12:42Uh um so that so it's just kept kind of a a concrete in in between the stones, but you go into the basement, it's all it's all stone. It's great.
12:52And it's the original house is just very small. the original house uh was square and um the the foundation is of that is 100% field stone. Okay.
13:03And then there was an addition placed in the back which has a poured concrete uh foundation and then another bedroom on the back. It's actually got a crawl space on it. So it's not.
13:15So this was done over the years. Yes.
13:18Before we got it but but the stone not touching the stone.
13:22Good. Excellent. No.
13:23That's what we like to hear. I love it's cool going.
13:27The basement is amazing.
13:28I love the stairwell goes. Yo, it's called It's called a seller, not a basement.
13:34Oh, yeah. I'm just teasing it.
13:36Yeah.
13:37Sellar.
13:37Uh, are there other other questions that folks have?
13:40I don't have any.
13:42I have a statement. I'm glad I'm glad you're removing the vinyl siding. That's awesome.
13:46Yeah.
13:47Oh, yeah.
13:47And I'm glad that you're actually looking at historic Oh, yeah. preservation versus just vinyl everything and ruin all the detail.
13:55Yeah, I like I like what you should see the interior. She's got a shop out in Raleigh with she had a like a thrift shop and stuff. So, it's full of antique furniture right now that we brought from from there and stuff brought from Beverly.
14:09Yeah. Step back covers and um old uh what do you call them? those uh hooer hooers del you know just all the 1800s 1900 1800s 1900s uhh furniture and so forth.
14:21So you walk inside it's her her uh uh son and his wife is you know your taste goes perfect with this house.
14:30Yeah, that's what we knew when we walked in. We're like that's great.
14:34Everything fits.
14:35Hey, I want to say welcome to town.
14:37We're glad you're here and I think you you you embody the spirit of what we're trying to accomplish here. So, I I appreciate it very much. So, um does anybody else have any other questions or comments?
14:48Please, Phil.
14:49Your house is on Lexington Avenue in North Dartmouth right behind Shaws.
14:55The house that you will are fixing up.
14:58The exact house is on It is replica.
15:02Yes. There's one also. I call it the sister house right near where my our grandson goes to school at Katy Campus.
15:08Oh, yeah.
15:09It's right next to I'm like I I tell that's it. That see that's that's our sister house. So also what which road?
15:14It's Lexington Avenue right behind Shaws.
15:17Ah cool.
15:18Right near Brownell. It's uh right right near the intersection park.
15:23It's right near the intersection of uh 140 and Route Six.
15:28Okay. Yes. I think I didn't drive around and say I don't want that. I want Yeah, it's good.
15:35Yes.
15:35It doesn't have the porch on it.
15:37It doesn't have Oh, it doesn't have a porch. It just has a regular door, but it's got a little canopy over the entrance. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's what we're doing on the side. That's what But if you go down there and look at it, you'll see your house.
15:49Yeah.
15:50And they've done siding and roofs and all that stuff.
15:54I got to check that out.
15:55Yeah.
15:56Thank you for that.
15:57Yeah, we love to look and find them with this pyramid roof and getting four square. That's what it's called. It's called the four square.
16:05Nothing happened.
16:07I'll show you a little bit. Okay. Um, I would like to go ahead and propose that uh we we accept and uh say yes to uh to this HDPR HDPR 26-817 Old Westport Road.
16:22Um, and I'll second.
16:24Okay. All in favor?
16:25I favor.
16:26I thank you.
16:26Hey folks, thanks for coming. We're glad to have you here and it's an honor to meet you all. Thank you.
16:30It's a pleasure and u thank you.
16:32Good luck with your project.
16:35Brian, thanks for coming in. We appreciate it very much. The clarity and everything. It's good.
16:40Oh, yeah. Okay. Good. This is 39 years.
16:42Oh, okay. You know what to expect.
16:47Well, you look great.
16:49And and folks, enjoy yourself. You're going to have a good time.
16:51Thank you so much.
16:52Be well.
16:53Thank you.
16:55That was a great uh picture board she brought in. She put a lot of work into that. I appreciate that. Oh, very nice.
17:01Where are the pictures? You I click open but and then go to attachments.
17:08Oh, okay. So, it pulls up and then attachments pull up and then you see plans, pictures, click here.
17:12Okay. Okay.
17:13All right. That kind of thing.
17:15Learning process.
17:16Yeah, that's fine. So, uh so I got a chance to to spend uh you know, an hour with these folks on what was it?
17:22Saturday. Saturday. Yeah.
17:23Uh going over um OpenGV and such uh on uh on the computer and getting up to speed, that kind of thing. So anyway, um okay, good. Uh I guess we have our last last very short night. Uh HDPR 26-928 Greystone.
17:38That must be you.
17:39Okay, here you all messed up.
17:42Welcome.
17:44Why?
17:45How you doing?
17:46My name is Alex. I'm the owner of Greystone. I'm a real estate investor, so I usually look for projects. I buy them. I fix them.
17:53We highly recommend using the Chrome browser on laptop and mobile to Okay, that's good. Um you so you're a real estate investor.
18:01Yes.
18:01Yeah. And so you bought this house as a as a project so I can fix it put it right back on the market.
18:07Good. So walk us through what you intend to do.
18:10Um so when I walk through the property, there's a lot of things that need to be fixed. Um a lot of broken windows. So I plan on replacing all of the windows. Um the roof, the shingles were all deteriorating. So I plan on replacing the shingles. The siding I'm going to keep. They're actually in very good condition. I just plan on having a painter come and give it a nice coat of paint.
18:31Mhm.
18:32Um the front porch when I spoke with Dennis, he recommended possibly replacing the bottom structure of it and keeping the top. So I that might be something I would consider. I'm just in the process of getting pricing for that right now. Um that's pretty much it for the exterior of the project. interior. It's I'm refinishing all the hardwood floors that's there. I'm putting tile in the
19:00kitchen area. Um it's just got an old floor plan.
19:04Exteriors are only perview. That's fine.
19:06We're good to go.
19:07So, I see. Yeah, it looks like if you can uh if you could say the columns and the and the roof of the porch so much the better.
19:14It's in good condition. Yes.
19:16I plan on maybe replacing the set boards that are there if I do touch the front porch.
19:21Um, if for some reason it's not in the box, you have to go to search and search for the HTPR word to come up without or use the address and then go down to the bottom, but it wasn't in the inbox.
19:30No, I know. I couldn't find it there either.
19:32Um, did you did you bring this uh to did you put this request in not too long ago? Is it correct? Okay. I just wondered why it wasn't uh in our in our box, but it's not really Germaine. Um, so the um looking at the exterior windows right now, you're at a place with with vinyl windows. What what are they now?
19:52Correct. It's old wooden windows.
19:56All the sashes on the sides are all broken and glass is all broken. So, did you see the picture?
20:03Would you consider fixing the windows with wood windows?
20:06I know.
20:07And making a like forlike replacement?
20:09I can consider it. So, you're going to do you're going to do vinyl replacement windows, but the um but the I can put wood trim. Yes, wood trim on the outside. Absolutely. I mean, that's uh Yeah, absolutely.
20:21That's bungalow.
20:24Yeah, it's a little bungalow. Um is this two-bedroom, threebedroom?
20:28Three bedroom.
20:28Three bedroom. Okay.
20:29Um so, looking at this, folks, any questions?
20:33Sue, um are you going to replace the front door?
20:40So, the door is actually in good condition. I might just refinish it and paint it. Same thing with the side uh side lights.
20:46Yeah, that absolutely because it's it's solid wood. I actually like the door. I have no intentions of removing that.
20:53And that's why I asked the question. Um there are also two small windows on either side of the chimney.
21:03That's staying.
21:04Okay. Good.
21:05All right.
21:05Yep. Those are staying. It was all the basically all the other other windows of the house.
21:09Oh, I love the sidelights on the door.
21:11Very nice.
21:12Yeah, that's a really nice touch. I I like that. And I wanted to kind of keep that look of everything. Yeah. Just repainting it.
21:18Look like you're going to rescue it.
21:20Yeah, I'm trying. I don't want to really do much to it. New gutters, new roof.
21:24Um, obviously whoever buys it, they they'll be getting like a nice home that won't need any plane under the porch. I see like this.
21:32Um, if I do replace it, I'd probably just put new lattice there with wood trim.
21:37Okay.
21:38Um, I'd probably go with AAC for the floor.
21:42Um, and new railings, new white vinyl railings.
21:47And as far as the roof goes, are you going to continue or or replace it with the same overhang that it has now?
21:57Yes. I wouldn't take change the structure of it or anything like that.
22:00No. said I put new gutters and you're hoping to keep the roof structure as it is, right?
22:05Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, no, nothing's changing on the structure at all.
22:08I think he said that the uh that the that the more lower end of the porch might have to be replaced, but he he thought the upper part of the roof and the columns were in good shape.
22:16Yeah.
22:18And would stay.
22:21Um Okay. And the e How about the ease of the roof? The exterior the the detail on that?
22:26Um that's just going to be staying the way it is. Just fresh coat of paint.
22:30Okay.
22:32All right. Good. It's kind of a straightforward.
22:35Yeah. Okay. Um, are there any questions folks on this bill? Thoughts?
22:42Good to go.
22:44Okay. Um, okay. Uh, well, if there are no other questions or comments, this seems pretty straightforward. Um, I'd like to go ahead and propose that we um we approve this um historical commission request HDPR 29 26-9 at 28 Greystone Avenue.
23:03Um second.
23:05Okay. Thank you, Bill, for the second.
23:07And all in favor?
23:08All in favor?
23:10Great. Thank you for coming in today.
23:11Appreciate it. Good luck tonight.
23:12Thank you guys.
23:17So, short meeting. Um, folks, I uh I owe y'all a uh uh detailed write up of our of our meeting way back in gosh, was it January? Like January? And um it's been a lot at work lately, but I I uh intended to get it for today, but I didn't get it done yet. But I will get it done. And uh and hopefully we can have some more more um uh more
23:42commentary about uh about the plan for the next next couple years um for the commission. and uh and and maybe even do a meeting like that annually which I I would like to do. Um any anything else for the general good team? I'm sorry about that.
23:58Well, I just wanted to say some about the CPC because used to be that we'd always have a you know under old business we would always do a what's going on CPC report.
24:08Um we had a very lengthy meeting which was not concluded by 10:00 last week. So we're having another one tomorrow.
24:15Wow. to finish up to get the warrants ready for um Springtown meeting.
24:20What was the big hold up? What was the what took so long?
24:22Just a lot of discussion, good discussion, but um you know, just how much to reserve um in case projects come up versus how much to fund things now, to what extent, things like that. Um there was one project that um was proposed for a a park um in Russell Mills which will have to go in front of the Russell Mills Commission because it's right on Tannery Road that corner piece there.
24:55Sue is at the meeting too um at least in the beginning and um the house there is from the 1970s so it doesn't fall under historical precisely. However, it does have history related to Dval's and the community. So, um there was some conversation about whether that could be somehow saved, how would that would impact the project? Could the project use the house?
25:21Um so, that was on the agenda.
25:25Um was there anything about the uh cultural society in the building, the work they're doing there?
25:30Oh, yes. That was definitely one of them too.
25:32Okay.
25:32Yep. And that was we haven't voted on that yet, but they have proposed um a project continuing the project. I guess it's been delayed so many times that the price just keeps increasing and increase and increasing.
25:46But they've been having a lot of projects there, you know, a lot of exhibitions and and things and um well attended and the more they use it, the more they figure out how they want to adapt it, etc.
25:58But um okay.
26:00Yeah, those are a couple of them.
26:02Yeah. Okay, good. That's a That's a And there's still, you know, quite a bit of money in the historical pot there um waiting for projects to come. So, keep your ears out for potential ways to use those funds for something tangible.
26:21How much of what um I guess substantial projects that go in front of CPC have to get uh I guess approved by town meeting?
26:28I guess I guess after post CPC Then the town meeting votes on it. Is that Yeah.
26:34Okay. So, um, so first step is six month process.
26:39Okay.
26:40So, first step is getting it past CPC and then you got to kind of make a campaign for the town meeting, right? And there's se several steps like the initial step you kind of fill out some brief paperwork and then come in describe your project and kind of get a gut feeling about whether it seems like it's going to fit CPC. And then um then you really fill out the form
27:02more extensively and um they there's a chance for people to ask questions and then they do a public hearing. So there there's several steps along the way.
27:13Um so it's it's time consuming but it also means that the project is really well spelled out by the time it goes to town meeting.
27:24Okay. Phil, uh, the last meeting there was discussion of the snow removal of, uh, some of our signs got disassembled.
27:35Somehow they got bent on Russell on the um, old Fall River Road. There was a pile of snow and it hit a um, stansion of one of the signs. Was that uh taken care of or is it just still bent or since the snow is reciding? I don't know if I'm allowed to go to the sign and um just have it removed and then sure whose signs what what signs they
28:08are. is a historic sign for the um uh Okay. So, it might have been uh most of the signs are kind of in tough shape after the snowstorm. So, yeah, I think I think those are the those are the town's purview. This is not a sign that we paid for and erected this commission. As far as I know, we only have put money into one one for in Peyton Arrow. I think that must be a
28:38um DPW responsibility.
28:40Oh, it's one of our little tiny signs that No, I know what you're talking about. Um is it the uh like the Dartmouth trail?
28:47No, it was on the intersection. I think um Sue brought it up that one of the signs was buried by snow and it bent and stuff.
28:57Okay.
28:58So, I don't know if I can if um are we allowed to go take a photo of it and stuff.
29:06You're allowed to do anything you want to do. I mean, nobody's going to prohibit any kind of activity. If you if you want to take a picture of it and share with TPW or if you want to go out there with a shovel and shore it up, I don't think anybody would care.
29:17Well, no. if it's uh attached to the base. Uh usually there's a r you have to have a ratchet kit or something to uh loosen it up and then bring it to Well, I don't have a truck, so basically whoever's got a truck should uh maybe But anyway, I think it's probably a DPW thing. It anybody feel otherwise? I just don't I don't think since we didn't fund it, it's not really in our in our
29:42purview. Even though it is a uh it is a probably a sign denoting you're entering a you know one of the villages of of of Dartmouth. I don't think that's I think I don't think it's our our thing. So, if there is something like overgrowth and uh some of the Now, I don't know. I I noticed there was a on Elm Street there's a um site that's just before you
30:06get to Russell's Mills Road that the uh bushes were over the sidewalk. And does uh someone uh usually take care of that?
30:18I'm not sure if that because that overgrowth has taken over this uh site that's my neighbor the garrison.
30:29No, it's further down near the um near the corner near Arrowhead Lane uh just over the overpass. There's a mill there and it's all over covered over with the CPC evaluate these sites and then uh earmark money for that or well CPC doesn't really um what they do is uh they're an entity that can dispense money but people have got to come to them with the ideas for project for worthy projects that that that can
31:00use the money so um if that you know if that's something that that anybody could could do that anybody could could bring uh bring a an idea for a project to CPC and just uh you know write it up using the the you know the methodology that they have so anybody could do that but they they don't do outreach and get involved with things like that themselves. And so, you know, I I live
31:20on Elman. I'll take a a look at that as I drive home tonight. Um because I I think I know where you're talking about, but I I appreciate you bringing it up.
31:28Uh is there anything else tonight?
31:30I have something. Um please.
31:32I guess Christina lives by that house by Deval that cave raised up mile high off the road.
31:39Have they come across this yet to be of approval on what they're doing?
31:44Historic district.
31:45So they Okay. So, we're we're not privy to any of Okay. Oh, I just was wondering.
31:51Okay.
31:51I hope it's done right.
31:52Is that the one that's been that's been moved or raised?
31:56Circle.
31:56They've been doing a lot of work the last couple of weeks.
31:58Is it staying raised?
32:00Uh, is it staying raised?
32:03I think because of the water level, I would think that's pretty high for the water. If the water level gets that high, Dortman's going to be underwater.
32:11Yeah. Well, that's the hope.
32:12It's pretty high.
32:13It's high. It's about six feet.
32:16It's got to be wonder do do you have to do you have to just kind of curiosity buy flood insurance if the body of water that might flood is not the ocean? If it's a river you do. Okay.
32:30Wow.
32:31That's a lot.
32:32That building should have come before us to get approved to have them do that.
32:36It belongs in the Russell Mills Historic District. And so they're their own thing.
32:41Really?
32:41Yeah. They're their own thing. even though they're in Dartmouth, they're their own thing. And uh we don't really intersect with them a lot, though I think it would be nice if we did. Uh but I've reached out to the guy Mark Mike a couple times and I've not gotten any response and so maybe I've got a wrong address or something for him but his daughter's getting involved in things down there now.
33:03Okay. Well, that's that's uh that's on them. Um I've got nothing else tonight.
33:08Uh Sue.
33:09Yeah, please. Um the I think we're we're going to be going out to look at a potential site for the plumber plaque this week.
33:19Great.
33:19So I can report on that the next time.
33:22Um so if it's before Thursday, uh if you think of it, send me a text. I'll let it come.
33:27Okay.
33:28If it's convenient for you.
33:29Yep.
33:29Okay.
33:30Yeah. Well, it's not about me. It's about Tim and Paul. So that's from DPW.
33:36and I'm going to have to rely on them because they they would have the final say.
33:39Understand?
33:40Um when when the report was done for um Smith Mills camp meeting, was was part of the deliverables did that include any kind of a presentation by Lynn?
33:56That's a good question.
33:57I have to go back and look. I don't think so because when she did the camp meeting in Marian, she did they they had her come back and she did, you know, a a full-blown um presentation on the history of the camp saying that, but I don't remember it being part of what we talked about for this batch of form bees.
34:20Yeah. I I guess if uh I could write to her if you could I I'd be great to have would be really nice to see that. I didn't even think about that. So, if it's possible, um I don't know if it was part of our contract. If it's not, then we can't do it. But in the future, I think it's a great thing to have.
34:36Well, we could if we can take money out of the budget.
34:40Sure. We have to see what she asks. But yeah, we could do that for sure. I I think it would be um great to do it. And I I would love to do it publicly and, you know, advertise it and people want to come in and see it, record it, that kind of thing. Um that'd be fun.
34:56Do you want to look at the contract? Do you want me to see if I can find something on it or I'd be grateful if you would.
35:01Okay.
35:02Thank you.
35:02Um and lastly, um for the historical society, um they have a program this Saturday, the 21, is that the 21st? 21st.
35:17Yeah.
35:18Um it's in honor of Women's History Month and Rev 250. It's uh a program we have. There's a woman coming from Peril who portrays Prudence, right?
35:30She was one of a handful that they know of right now that of women that got involved in the revolution. So, she's going to be doing that on speaking on Saturday night on No, two 2 o'clock 2 o'clock. Okay.
35:442:00 Saturday at the schoolhouse.
35:47Okay.
35:48Is that just for women or for historians? For anybody who wants to come. Anybody anybody's interested?
35:56Um, thank you, Sue. Appreciate that.
35:58Um, I have a question. Yeah, just not it's something else. So, this is 88 Hancock.
36:04Yes.
36:05So, they they didn't show up tonight, right?
36:09We have plans.
36:11They were on last last month, but they weren't they weren't here.
36:16It's not very serious, are they? Well, um I believe that we've said that they don't I don't know what the what the code says about that whether they have to show up. I think we I thought we had said that they don't they're not absolutely obliged to but it makes things easier because if we have questions of course they're there.
36:34Um what do we think about that?
36:40So, did did you get a hold of them last uh because they were on for last month and then they weren't in uh right we needed to see pictures I believe which which property did you follow up with because there were a couple of them that didn't get dealt with.
36:57Yeah. So, I guess yeah, William Street was the other one.
37:01William Street. You're right.
37:04Can you I see the pictures?
37:05Oh, you didn't get any.
37:07Okay. Okay. Yeah. Um, well, it just only uh um so I I could not I could not I couldn't open this. Um but it sounds like they were sent to you to maybe to Sue with with I think she uploaded another batch more recently. I was able to get on today.
37:26All right.
37:27I think before So do we think that we have enough uh enough information to look at this and vote on it? I mean, if we couldn't look at the photographs necessarily, how are we supposed to or ask any questions? How can we right weigh in on it?
37:47Well, the photos are up now, so I don't think we can use that, but we can't ask questions if they're not.
37:52And this is the this is the entirety of the photos as far as we know.
37:57I just Yeah, I would have to go back and look.
38:01Well, they hung windows. Is that where the windows are going to go?
38:08Are they Are they trying to They're just hanging there. So, they're probably blowing right now.
38:14This is what we would like to have.
38:17That is kind of funny, actually.
38:18No, it's it's a it's a decoration.
38:20Yeah, I know. I know.
38:20Yeah, I know.
38:21No, maybe they want windows like that and they're going to get rid of everything.
38:26I don't think they're going to handle this like the way they've discussed it.
38:28It's going be a plastic house.
38:31It's plastic.
38:32H I needed that. That's good. Um I I would say uh I would say I would say no. We we we we haven't had time to look at this and talk about it in order to move forward with it tonight. Um and I will talk I'll talk to uh to to to Michelle about this, but I I guess I feel like we should have as a rule unless we're unless law disallows us to
39:00do so that that uh applicants should have a representative. Yes. Come in front of this body.
39:08Um do does anybody know a reason why we we can't do that or shouldn't do that?
39:13Just to point there was something that been written. There is something somewhere we don't I can't because I've always known that it's been like that since I was in the building department that that what that um they didn't as long as they submitted something you know like if there's a roof or simple things not a whole you know reconstruction that they didn't have to be there right but what is how do you what is
39:38that dividing line and who determines what the dividing line is I guess you so if it's a if it's a roof or if it's like for like I talked to Michelle during the week and just go ahead and approve it.
39:46So, so, but if it's not, if it's if it's coming onto this agenda, to me, it seems that it's already passed the test of it's complicated enough not to have approved out of hand.
39:56So, there are going to be questions. So, it's likely useful that somebody shows up to me. Still my nose.
40:03Now, it looks like they had tieback. Did they already start this project? What did you was Oh, no. That tie that was 117 O.
40:11Something that said tieback. I just remember when I was chair, I remember that we postponed something and then I was told that I think by the building department that we couldn't postpone things, that the 30-day 30-day clock was running and that there was nothing in the bylaw that said they had to show up.
40:31is that they were given the opportunity to they had to fill out the application but and then you know if we had questions for them you could call them you could use the portal to ask questions and get the answers but I don't think that there's anything forcing these forcing people to come I think the 30-day rule was that you had to respond within those 30 days otherwise they could just continue
41:02and do it, you know. Um, but if you responded and there was a problem, okay, then that the clock would start then.
41:12Oh, okay.
41:13So, as long as you made a note somewhere, whether in the comments, you know, that we need this before we can continue, if they didn't hear anything, then they're good to go.
41:25Yeah. Um, I will ask I will ask the listerve about that, which I always find to be a good resource for things, and see if others uh in Massachusetts um have comments about that or have experience with with that. I'd like to know. I will also put a comment in 88 Hancock. Uh, and then, um, yeah.
41:47And what's the comment going to say?
41:49That's a good question. Um, I think I I think that don't waste that.
41:56No, I think I'd say we we that that the um photos and plans were not fully descriptive and we we want to have representative appear.
42:04Yeah. Because they don't say what the windows unless there's something in the actual wording of the This is these are examples of the windows.
42:15Unless there's something in the example in the uh DJ.
42:19I just love that. That's great.
42:20Well, it looks like they have aluminum replacement windows already and now they're going to go with probably vinyl.
42:29Storms out there.
42:31Install 20 replacement windows. No structural changes.
42:36Um, that's all there is.
42:41I know.
42:41Is this trying to get in the back door?
42:43Yeah.
42:45So if you need to have answers about the windows then that would be something to ask. Other than that it seems to have made it very clear that it's going to be vinyl siding vinyl set wrap all fascia and rake boards along with all window and door casings. So that's all vinyl.
43:05It kind of makes sense that following off that that they're going to do vinyl replacement.
43:14Oh, there are some windows in the back that are 6 over6. So, maybe we should ask if they're going to replace with 6 over6 with the grid.
43:25Would be nice.
43:26Okay, I will ask that question about 6 over6. And if I get a response out of them and it's favorable, um I'll go ahead and just say approve it.
43:34Okay. And I just wanted to ask Dan a question. Yeah. You know that we can't stop anyone from replacing with vinyl.
43:44I know.
43:45So, we can get we can appear to be upset about it.
43:48Well, I am upset about it, but I mean I know it's cost. It's the cost and whatever.
43:52It looks awesome and it's reversible.
43:53If you look at Dartmouth and it's all plastic.
43:56Yeah, they should name it. You're entering the plastic plastic house district.
44:01Well, I think every town has got issues like that and we we do our best. Marian doesn't Marian doesn't have any they have all their houses are pretty spiffy when it comes to neither does Weston.
44:15Yeah.
44:16Oh yeah, that's right.
44:17Plymouth, all that. It's just Are we going to be a sanctuary city?
44:22Okay.
44:23Prepping all the houses.
44:24I make a motion.
44:25Okay.
44:26No, wait.
44:27You guys are all at that end. So I guess that's the team of teams. I'm over here.
44:33Listen, I think I've called on you more than anybody else, Phil. So, come closer. Uh, come closer if you want to.
44:38You can sit right there in the middle.
44:39Um, I'm going to go ahead and make a motion that we go ahead and adjourn our meeting tonight.
44:43Second.
44:45Okay. All in favor? Guys, thank you.